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I like how the kids from Hamline call it Targhetto and think it's edgy to go there. How about they try the Target on Lake Street, the real ghetto. Let's see how long these cake eaters feel edgy there. j/k
The target on Lake was called Targhetto -- that's where the name started. I believe they finally closed that store -- it is now a grocery, I think.
I saw the Olympic story last night and thought "Okay, there's a camera in the office, how did Rex not get on screen?"
Is that a first for you?
;-)
Um, the name Targhetto probably didn't start in Minneapolis, but the first I heard of it was when there was a Target on Broadway in North Minneapolis. Unfortunatly Target pulled up stakes there and now, thankfully, a Cub Foods has replaced it.
The Target on Lake is still open.
And yes, the name probably did not originate here. The point is that a bunch of private school college kids think it's "edgy" to shop in a "ghetto" department store.
There's also a "Targhetto" in Des Moines. Of course, the parts of Des Moines that are ghetto-like are roughly equivalent to, say, Fridley.
On another note ... nothing on the French Meadow raid, Rex? I for one would like to thank the diligent Tom Heffelfinger for keeping Minnesotans safe from the grave dangers of spelt.
Pawlenty also wants to build a fence and security system in Shakopee at a cost of nearly $5 million.
Apparently the hedgerow that currently seperates the inmates from the rest of the world isn't good enough? Reminds me of a skit on MTV's The State.
I just prefer to call the whole complex beginning with Blockbuster Video at Snelling, encompassing Herberger's and Borders and the check cashing places, and terminating at the Target on Hamline as "GhettoDale."
I kid, I kid...
There should be more photos on blogs.
I actually really like shopping in that area, especially because of the Big Top liquors that sells ridiculously cheap wine. I used to go to Hamline, though, and I remember how all the yuppy kids were too scared to go down and shop on University so they would drive 10 minutes the other direction to shop in Roseville. I always thought that was lame. Hamline and I did not get along very well.
Pat: I missed that story on French Meadow. I've added it now.
Rew: I've been home sick that last couple days. :)
andrea... big top is where it's at. they have everything (microbrews, wine and liquor), it's usually on sale, and it's cheap even if it's not. the herberger's is pretty nice, i'm not a big fan of border's anyway, and target... well, it's target. i certainly can't imagine ever being scared to go there.
i lived at a house a block from hamline with six hamline kids in... 2000, i think. that's an interesting school. none of the guys i lived with "got along" with the school or the other students very well either. in fact, i don't think a single one of them ended up graduating from hamline.
I went there for my freshman year and dropped out after that, there were some really cool people there, but I think their motto could be "Hamline: where we tell you what to think so you don't have to!" or something similar. Really weird community.
Here's a joke I like:
How many Hamline students does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Three. One to change the bulb and two to call someone at St. Johns for instructions.
I once went on a date with a very lovely young woman who could not eat wheat. There's a name for it, I can't remember, but it's a serious thing. Made her all sick and stuff. People shouldn't mislable their foods.
Yeah, that was kind of the impression I got, too. I was attending the U at the time, so I pretty much just heard my roommates bitching... Who knows if the amount of class they skipped to play hackysack was a cause or a result of their conflicts with the school. I did meet some cool folks through my roomies, but there were also a lot of dumbasses (especially the hockey team, if I recall, thought that might go without saying).
hahaha. that tag is hilarious. It's to bad it's not artistic at all, I think a well drawn "soon this will all be lofts" grafitti mural deserves its place in our world.
Lofts Tag Location, from the...taker(?)
"Its on a pedestrian bridge over the railroad tracks near Bryn Mawr. Looking that way you see a city dump type lot (filled with woodchips, sand and snow right now) and the International Market Square building in the distance."
I know I'm going back a bit, but. . . .
The Target on Lake Street is the "real ghetto"? Puh-leez.
That's my regular Target. I don't think it's ghetto at all. It's quite a bit different than the one in Woodbury, yes, but it's not ghetto.
Something I have always found odd is the way people try to out-do each other with the "I live in the scarier neighborhood," "I see more crime than you do," type arguments, like it's some sort of pissing contest. Is it possible to live in a nice area and still be cool?
Anyone who thinks the Target on Lake Street is the "real ghetto" has never been to a real ghetto.
That Hamline joke is super funny and people who can't eat wheat have an allergy to gluten. It's anti-glutonic or something like that; I was friends in grade school with a kid who couldn't have gluten and no one ever wanted to go to his house because his mom made all this crappy food, like wheat free cookies that sucked.
I think it is called celiac disease. I feel bad for your childhood friend, taylor, that would suck.
Don't feel bad for that kid...he's not gluten intolerant. He just refuses to put up with gluten's shit.
The Target on Lake Street isn't in the ghetto. The Target in the Lodz Ghetto is in the ghetto.
So we even have a ghetto in Minnesota?
I think we have tiny pockets of bad neighborhoods, but nothing that isn't safe to drive/walk through during the day.
Isn't ghetto a racial term?
I am confused.
I have heard the terms 'ghetto fashion".
And 'ghetto-chic".
And 'ghetto-ized'
What exactly does "Targhetto" signify?
Yeah... truthfully, the term "ghetto" shouldn't exactly be bandied about, as I'm guilty of doing. I'm not quite sure of its exact racist connotations, but I'm sure somebody here could enlighten us. It's not exactly nice, though, I know that much.
ghet·tos or ghet·toes
1. A section of a city occupied by a minority group who live there especially because of social, economic, or legal pressure.
2. An often walled quarter in a European city to which Jews were restricted beginning in the Middle Ages.
The dictionary says "a section of a city occupied by a minority group." So I think Targhetto is fine. That means take a deep breath all you uptighty whities.
What about the word "douchebag"? Is anybody offended by that? I really want to hear from all you ladies...
See previously: some chick freaks out on rex for using the verb "ghettoize."
Wow. What a douchebag! Ghettogirl, I mean.
steve - some of the objections to recklessly using the term are a bit more academic than merriam-webster. some of the same people that might measure their coolness by how much crime there is in their neighborhood would be the ones complaining about it.
i also think that a lot of those super cool not uptight whities might drive down lake st, see a black person and say "man, this is ghetto!" hence, the term becomes less than complimentary.
in fact, i know a few people from my hometown that would do just that.
even so, if you look up a few comments you'll see that i mentioned "ghettodale." so glad to not be an uptighty whitey in your book.
now douchebag... there's a good word!
Ghetto was actually the name of an Italian island centuries ago, off Venice, I believe, where Jews were corralled. So there's this whiff of enforcement to it. Like: do ghettos "just happen," or are there willful forces that contain pockets of poverty or minorities? As an uptighty whitey living in North Minneapolis, I'm not fond of the term, mainly because it's not used by those of us who used to go to the Target on Broadway. It's one of those terms like "slummin'," not used by the slum- and ghetto-dwellers to describe their possibly quite happy existences in poorer neighborhoods.
I am not offended by douchebag use. I mean...as a word..eh, crap.
now douchebag... there's a good word!
I think that if you asked Totally Scrabble Tuesdays' "Team Douchebag from Uptown" what they thought, I'm sure they wouldn't agree -- they might even go so far as to believe it's "less than complimentary."
As a downtown St. Paul resident, I usually go in one of two directions for my Target/grocery/fast food/liquor store needs -- University or Robert.
I like Robert because somehow it feels more like a neighborhood, and I'm nerdishly obsessed with the new Super Target there.
But I also like the cheap prices at Big Top. And I appreciate the unrefined, old-school sleaziness of that stretch of University -- it kind of reminds me of the Sea-Tac strip in Washington.
I have no problem with the word ghetto, I just don't think it's an accurate description of the Target on Lake. If occupation by a minority group is the defining criteria, and we are to assume that it's ONE minorty group, then it's definetly out because that Target (and the nearby Cub) is one of the most (and only) truly diverse spots that I can think of in Minneapolis.
I think Jews should get pissed off at the lowerclass for appropriating their word out of context.
"You call Compton a ghetto? Try fuckin Auschwitz."
So what should the supercool do when driving down Lake Street? Should they think, "Man, this is a section of the city occupied by a minority group who lives here especially because of social, economic, and/or legal pressure!"
But isn't that what they're doing when they use the word "ghetto"?
Jews already do that.
Oh, Andrea. Nice attempt at a dirty vagina joke.
Thanks, Marsh.
i don't give a shit what they think. just shedding some light.
Oh, gerg. You do too give a shit. And the only light you're shedding is on the top of the moral high ground you've staked out for yourself.
Q: If ghetto=marginalized residents, then douchebag=?
Who will dare to answer?
Who knew that doucebag would be in the dictionary?
"Slang: an unattractive or offensive person"
good lord. fighting on the internet is like competing in the special olympics...
like i said, i use the word. somehow i manage my terrible, terrible guilt. i like discussing things when i'm bored at work. this is an interesting topic, if a little esoteric. no matter what, not worth getting all ad hominem about.
chill the hell out, big guy.
I recognize upon looking at that again, I have it backwards. It should be ?=douchebag.
What can I say, I'm drunk.
Does anyone wanna take a crack at labelling the offensiveness or non-offensiveness of mulatto?
Hey, gerg, man, I'm not the one making fun of retards.
Anyway...douchebag=dude who looks like he's staying at the Luxor.
Mulatto. Also Italian, right? What a charming bunch of namecallers that race is. Douchebags.
Wow! 53 comments mainly about ghetto and douchebag! This makes the muffs conversation of last yearlook so... last year.
This makes the muffs conversation of last yearlook so... last year.
Ahh, a bunch of douchebags watching MNspeak evolve into GhettoSpeak in just a few months time!?
Ah, maybe someday we can recapture the glory of the muffs.
What's wrong with moo-latte, Rex? The good people at Dairy Queen seem to have no problem with it.
I've always wanted to have a softball team called "The Uptown Swallows."
We don't like to be called "douchebags," you insensitive clod.
We prefer to be known as "VaginoLavagian Americans."
We don't like to be called "douchebags," you insensitive clod.
In Soviet Russia douchebags are YOU!
i'm not completely sure, Rex, but I know I got the smackdown once from a multi-racial friend for using the term -- I think it has something to do with the "grade system" for people that were being traded as slaves. I'd say offensive.
In Soviet Russia douchebags are YOU!
Thanks for saving this thread...
That's it. You doucebags are so ghetto. I'm audie.
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Actually, my concern about calling the Target on Lake Targhetto is the same as has been expressed elsewhere. It feels like something a few suburban white people would declare it having driven by and seen a few black people.
On the other hand, I remember walking around a nearby area (Lake and Cedar) with African-American anarchist Lorenzo Komboa Irvin and hearing him declare "You don't have that many black people in Minneapolis, do you?"
And, believe me, having just recently moved back from New Orleans (70 percent black), the area doesn't seem that inhabited my minorities to me either.
Hey HipMN, visit me: Penn Ave N.
67% African American, 33% under the poverty line.
Drop by for a visit. It's nice (I mean that sincerely).
In retrospect, post Katrina, and especially with the destruction of the Ninth Ward, I have a feeling that East Lake is now more black than New Orleans.
HipMN, I think I kind of know what you mean. Having lived in Chicago for a few years, I don't especially think Minneapolis has any "big" pockets of one single group. Compared to Englewood or Cabrini Green, Chicago and 22nd seems like an episode of Family Ties.*
*Sorry, just the whitest thing that came to mind.
Most thing's I've learned about the ghetto, I've learned from Elvis
Chicago is somehow involved. Often In the cold and gray mornin's.
Now that song is stuck in my head.
And I thank you.
As a sophisticated yet somewhat "uptighty-whitey", I am somewhat offended by Cracker Barrel.
Is this also what some Afro-Americans ('negroes') might call, say, Southdale?
And if in fact "Negro" is not considered politically correct, why do we see commercials running currently starring black General Mills VP's, for the "Negro College Fund"?
Huh? That's what I'm wonderin'.
Mulatto is a person of mixed white and 'negro' race.
Gelatto is a delicious frozen desert.
I for one, do not appreciate that the term for an appliance used to keep the female genitalia clean, fragrant and succulent is used in a derogatory manner.
"Scumbag", however, is clearly derogatory. (That's a used prophelactic, for those who don't know).
And italics OFF.
woah, woah, woah. douchebags are classified as "appliances" in your mind? that is terrifying.
Okay, I think what makes a store "ghetto" (if I may use the term) is not necessarily its location but rather how it operates. Are the shelves stocked? Is the stuff on the shelves old, dusty, or broken? Is good merchandise stored behind plexiglass or in the back area? Do the employees obviously not give a shit?
I recall the Lake Street Target as being kind of that way when I was younger, (mostly by not having stuff that other Targets had) but now I think it's fine, and I shop there regularly.
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