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I'm guessing against. I'm not sure who would do an air ad for abortions. Or any ad for that matter.
Did anyone see that big vapor halo over downtown last week?
»» Submitted by »»» matt at 1:03 PM on June 19
There use to be a coupon for money off an abortion in the back of the UMN student/staff directory. That was like 2 or 3 years ago. I am all for choice, but that was a little unsettling to see.
Meanwhile, as a rule, anything with a fetus on it is probably anti-choice.
»» Submitted by Reader at 1:05 PM on June 19
Abortions: Buy one, get one FREE*!
* Twins not included. Some restrictions apply.
»» Submitted by Luke at 1:14 PM on June 19
Did that banner make any of you interested in being anti-choice?
»» Submitted by Reader at 1:16 PM on June 19
Once again, a banner day for reproductive issues.
Anti-choice or anti-privacy? I think that is the part of the arguement a lot of people miss. The ruling was about the fact that the goverment can't regulate a woman's body due to the Bill of Rights (right to privacy). When you look at it that way, it is not too far of a stretch that anti-privacy W would also have anti-privacy illegal wire-taps of American citizens. And be building an anti-privacy database of Americans communications. And the new, anti-privacy supreme court would rule that police don't need to knock when they have a warrant.
»» Submitted by spader at 1:45 PM on June 19
Gosh, A Banner? Really? I better get my ass down to the family planning clinic and start protesting! I hope my penny-farthing bicycle will get me there in time to save some poor girl from getting birth control and going directly to hell!
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 1:52 PM on June 19
This is not the first time I've seen said banner. About a year ago on a beautiful summer day it was slowly flying over the Mac Groveland neighborhood around supper time, making the perfect conversation piece for a family dining al fresco.
Bring back the blimp!
»» Submitted by ... at 2:49 PM on June 19
Afterward, you can ride your panny-farthing to a Box Social.
it distrubed me. i couldn't read it and almost crashed trying to. sad.
»» Submitted by »»» lolly at 3:04 PM on June 19
i have a feeling that pro-choice people wouldn't waste their money on a flying banner downtown. those religious folks are the one with the funds to do that kind of stuff.
»» Submitted by »»» lowkeyd at 3:39 PM on June 19
I just get this feeling that Pro-Life people don't ever deep down really want abortion made illegal because then they would lose all purpose in their lives.
Also haven't these people seen Vera Drake? It's obvious that if they outlaw abortions it will only matter for poor people. The rich will still fly their daughters to Europe or one of the resort hospitals in SE Asia for a little "evacuation vacation."
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 3:56 PM on June 19
That group is "Pro-Life" or "Anti-choice" whatever your perspective.
They were here a couple of years ago, with a BLIMP that had
a scrolling message, a roaming billboard on wheels, and a
little plain trailing their message. They were all over downtown.
It's very aggressive in your face message delivery.
Wish they'd get a kick their ass response!
»» Submitted by oracle at 3:49 PM on June 19
This board used to be rather interesting.
»» Submitted by »»» srhcb at 4:09 PM on June 19
This board used to be rather interesting.
srhcb, thanks for your clever contribution to making things interesting.
»» Submitted by idea at 4:11 PM on June 19
If you mean filled with morons and losers who recite talking points all day long your right it is less interesting now.
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 4:19 PM on June 19
I saw something but it was gone by the time I got close enough to read it. Probably caused my highway accidents than anything else.
»» Submitted by Dave K at 4:21 PM on June 19
Including the banner, I saw ten pro-life billboards over the weekend: two on the way to the Chippewa National Forest, seven on the way back. On the same route. Interesting how you have to point your car toward the Cities to see the majority of the ads.
I didn't go through St. Cloud this time. I would have seen closer to 20 pro-life billboards on that route.
»» Submitted by Foster at 4:23 PM on June 19
What is it exactly that people miss/want for this board? People bitch about it often, but what are suggestions to change things?
»» Submitted by idea at 4:30 PM on June 19
Thanks, Foster. Only 10, that is sort of a let down. Maybe those folks used their billboard and field sign funds to help pay for the airplane over the Sin Cities.
»» Submitted by Reader at 4:34 PM on June 19
Quite frankly, I am glad to see les and less support for abortion (or if you call it for what it is: baby-killing.
Roe vs. Wade is a complete sham, and there's nothing anywhere in the Constitution that would even come close to legalizing killing babies.
I don't care if you are offended by me calling it baby-killing. Pro-choicers have long tried to dehumanize babies in the womb by calling them "blobs of cells" or "fetuses". Dehumanization was also used to enforce slavery.
Plus, have you ever heard a mother say that they "felt the fetus kicking" today?
»» Submitted by Yourname at 4:35 PM on June 19
I'm fairly sure that no one is pushing for more abortions and I'm certain that if there never had to be another abortion everyone would be extremely happy but we don't like in utopia.
A large part of the people that are against abortion are also against letting homosexuals adopt. Does that make any sense? They are also against contraception. Does that make any sense?
Abstinence is not a solution! Kids need education and condoms!
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 4:42 PM on June 19
It's not a baby if it has a tail. That's just creepy.
»» Submitted by Foster at 4:53 PM on June 19
Oh, so abortions should be "safe, legal, but rare"? So since liberals seem to think that it is a constitutional right, should we apply the "safe, legal, but rare" standard to other rights, like freedom of speech?
Killing babies is not right. I hardly call 1.3 million abortions in the US per year rare! The same people will chain themselves in front of trees, or complain about Americans dying in Iraq. While 2500 deaths in Iraq is indeed extremely tragic, why don't these same people mourn and protest 1.3 million deaths of babies? I don't understand that mentality!
Hypocrites.
»» Submitted by Yourname at 4:48 PM on June 19
Yourname, responding to your blastings is not even worth the energy it is taking me to type this.
»» Submitted by Reader at 4:58 PM on June 19
Killing babies is not right.
It is so too.
»» Submitted by »»» mike_s at 4:58 PM on June 19
Here is a place for you, Yourname. Good luck!
»» Submitted by annoyedwiththis at 5:03 PM on June 19
Yourname has talked me out of the fetus-killing rampage I was planning.
srhcb, at the risk of repeating myself from a couple of days ago,
srhcb, you detect a decline in the quality of discussions? Maybe you should start some. A quick check shows that you have started...let me see...zero threads. It is what you make it. Post away.
»» Submitted by »»» TBartel at 9:42 AM on June 14
Here's where you go to do it.
Yourname has talked me out of the fetus-killing rampage I was planning.
Praise Allah!
»» Submitted by Reader at 5:25 PM on June 19
Praise Allah!
Well, no. The same people who are telling me killing a fetus is murder are also telling me that Muslim lives are valueless, so I though I would just swap one murderous ampage for another. It's no less than my president demands of me!
But Max, you promised us delicious babies at your next dinner party...
»» Submitted by »»» richg at 5:34 PM on June 19
Good thinking, msparber!
»» Submitted by Reader at 5:47 PM on June 19
Killing babies is not right. I hardly call 1.3 million abortions in the US per year rare! The same people will chain themselves in front of trees, or complain about Americans dying in Iraq. While 2500 deaths in Iraq is indeed extremely tragic, why don't these same people mourn and protest 1.3 million deaths of babies? I don't understand that mentality!
Hypocrites.
Well, Yourname, if you are so compassionate, what are you doing to prevent this?
»» Submitted by Reader at 5:57 PM on June 19
Sorry, I forgot to comment on this:
Yourname: Plus, have you ever heard a mother say that they "felt the fetus kicking" today?
My experience has been that one of the most dire side-effects of pregnancy is that it makes people boring. Sometimes the condition can last 4 or 5 or 10 or even 20 trimesters. Sometimes it never ends. How can you even listen to a pregnant person talk without putting your fingers in your ears and yelling I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU SHUT UP ABOUT THE BABY OR FETUS OR WHATEVER ALREADY.
Sigh.
»» Submitted by »»» mike_s at 5:44 PM on June 19
My experience has been that one of the most dire side-effects of pregnancy is that it makes people boring. Sometimes the condition can last 4 or 5 or 10 or even 20 trimesters. Sometimes it never ends. How can you even listen to a pregnant person talk without putting your fingers in your ears and yelling I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU SHUT UP ABOUT THE BABY OR FETUS OR WHATEVER ALREADY.
Just wait until they actually HAVE the kid. Then you get to hear about solid food and crawling and walking and first teeth and talking and t-ball and violin lessons and dance recitals and... etc.
Because, you know... THEIR kid is the only one that does all that stuff.
-d (fortunately I'm not bitter about it or anything...)
»» Submitted by »»» DaveM at 6:02 PM on June 19
But Max, you promised us delicious babies at your next dinner party...
Oh, there'll be babies. But no fetuses.
I hate babies *and* their parents. (Except you, DeRusha.)
»» Submitted by Molly P. at 6:34 PM on June 19
And it is too bad we took the bait and actually commented on the banner -- giving them more attention than they deserve.
»» Submitted by »»» pDon at 7:01 PM on June 19
I dunno. It's win/win. They get attention, we get to make jokes about eating babies.
Molly P.: no love for dad, less than 24 hours after Fathers' Day?
Relativism doesn't work with "pro-life" positions because everyone sees things differently.
We could spend 90 billion dollars a year just to "liberate the Iraqi people"... or significantly less to eliminating hunger and disease for millions of people around the world.
We could kill psycopaths who take innocent lives... but MANY death row inmates have been exonerated (some posthumously) -- and even if the system was 99% accurate, an innocent person would be executed every two years. Society is just as safe with that person behind bars.
And who decided it's OK to kill an animal if it might make a nice jacket or tasty entree?
»» Submitted by »»» champs at 7:02 PM on June 19
It's always against, do you even need to ask? It's human nature that people don't fight as hard to keep the status quo.
»» Submitted by Brett at 7:48 PM on June 19
I am "pro-life" myself except for extreme cases (although I hate that term, as I don't consider those who disagree with me as "pro-death"). But, regardless of your feeling on an issue, flying a banner of an aborted fetus amounts to pornography. Why should I have to be exposed to that, no less my kids. The problem with prosecuting the sick f#ck that put that up there is that it would only provide them with more publicity.
»» Submitted by grote at 8:58 PM on June 19
I saw that guy as I was riding my bike to work. I flipped him off.
Saw It again on the way home. It's nasty.
What kinda doosh flys around with a picture of an aborted fetus anyway??
I don't care what the politics are, that image put a frown on my cities morning. AND IT WAS SO NICE WEATHER WISE!! Jack ass didn't have to do that today.
Ya, know. Yr riding to work, observing the unique way light reflects of the skyline in a neat way you've never seen, and then Fready Kruger blows your dream.
»» Submitted by »»» ray at 9:36 PM on June 19
This thread was a real piece of shit until this:
My experience has been that one of the most dire side-effects of pregnancy is that it makes people boring. Sometimes the condition can last 4 or 5 or 10 or even 20 trimesters. Sometimes it never ends. How can you even listen to a pregnant person talk without putting your fingers in your ears and yelling I CAN'T HEAR YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU SHUT UP ABOUT THE BABY OR FETUS OR WHATEVER ALREADY.
Just wait until they actually HAVE the kid. Then you get to hear about solid food and crawling and walking and first teeth and talking and t-ball and violin lessons and dance recitals and... etc.
Because, you know... THEIR kid is the only one that does all that stuff.
I totally agree. Yesterday I was taking a breather off the bike trail at Calhoun and some stupid dad let his little girl walk all the way up to me going "bike bike bike bike bike." Yuk, get her away. What makes someone think they can just let their kid walk around babbling? Fortunately, a dog distracted her long enough for me to bolt.
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And welcome to Kara McGuire!
But I think we're reaching our limit on local media personalities. DeRusha, Bartel and the countless ones who post anonymously. No more!
»» Submitted by »»» kwatt at 11:16 PM on June 19
Awesome. I love Kara McGuire.
On the flip side, I do not love fetus banners.
»» Submitted by SLP at 11:38 PM on June 19
fetus banners, bad
fetus jerky, delicious
»» Submitted by grote at 11:49 PM on June 19
Fetus jerky: a good idea, but not a new one.
»» Submitted by Jon Swift at 11:57 PM on June 19
Ah, Irish baby jerky. That takes me back.
I saw the banner last night while running around Lake of the Isles...I thought it was rather pretty.
I saw the banner last night while running around Lake of the Isles...I thought it was rather pretty.
"Pretty" of "Purrty"?
»» Submitted by Reader at 11:02 AM on June 20
Yourname, if someone would've killed you as a baby we wouldn't be having this discussion.
...and Grote I never considered that pornography angle before. Does anyone know the general flight path of this thing? I could use a good wank.
»» Submitted by Mantenna at 11:39 AM on June 20
mantenna...
so bad....
»» Submitted by »»» lolly at 12:30 PM on June 20
Is Mantenna's comment what this site needs? No one answered me.
Naughty humor. NAUGHTY.
»» Submitted by idea at 12:32 PM on June 20
So is it pedophilia if it's still a fetus? The theological implications are staggering.
»» Submitted by Foster at 12:35 PM on June 20
they were flying the banner over the Stone Arch Art Fair on Saturday morning/afternoon too
just goes to show how little class these total right wing people have imo
»» Submitted by kj at 1:49 PM on June 20
Isn't flying a single engine plane low over densely populated urban centers a potential terrorist threat?
»» Submitted by Mpls Simpleton at 1:57 PM on June 20
If having an abortion is "Baby-Killing" does that mean we are going to prosecute mothers for putting a "hit" on their children? In states with the death penalty, are we going to give lethal injections to mothers that terminate an unwanted pregnancy?
89% of all abortions occur well before the "fetus" kicks. The terms are used to differentiate the stages of development. When egg meets sperm, the joining becomes a zygote. Before it implants in the uterus it is labled a blastocyst. Many of these are ejected before implantation and thus are "naturally aborted." If God is responsible for these spontaneous abortions, then God performs more than twice the number of abortions performed by doctors worldwide.
Once implanted in the uterus it becomes an embryo and continues its development. At about 8 weeks, it changes into the fetal stage and it called a fetus. These are the rough stages of mammalian development. It has nothing to do with "dehumanizing" the birthing process. It is about understanding it.
Isn't flying a single engine plane low over densely populated urban centers a potential terrorist threat?
It's only terrorism if its message is liberal!
Bill Hicks says it better than I could:
"You're not a human... til you're in my phone book"
»» Submitted by jeffk at 5:31 PM on June 20
He is at it again. Flying over south MPLS right now.
Some one get him out of the sky please?
He might be flying low enough to hit with a good firework.....
I don't see flying pictures of featus jerky political at all.... it's religious SATANISIM!
»» Submitted by shooter at 6:59 PM on June 20
The two extremes have hijacked the issue for so many years, there's never a productive debate about abortion. But there should be one.
»» Submitted by The Rat at 9:19 PM on June 20
not gonna be a productive debate as long as people make jokes about eating and fucking fetuses. idiots.
»» Submitted by adam at 9:42 PM on June 20
There needs to be better education regarding birth control and family planning. Students need to be taught something other than just plain abstinence (because they likely will have sex before marriage regardless of abstinence teachings). They need to know about how to protect themselves, not just from pregnancy, but from diseases. I think a more informed and better protected society will lead to less abortions. Hopefully it wouldn't lead to an increase in sexual activity among minors...I don't think it would though.
»» Submitted by Laura at 9:54 PM on June 20
yeah Adam I'll bet if these babyfucking idiots would cool their jets and get real for a couple of seconds - we could solve this crazy abortion riddle once and for all! Right here on MNSpeak.com!
»» Submitted by mantenna at 10:22 AM on June 21
The banner says: "ABORTION: 10 week fetus" and then has a 1-800 number. It shows a blown-up, distorted picture of a fetus.
This group likes to bring these banners by every two years during the election season. Later this fall, we'll probably have the vans with blown-up pictures of fetuses drive through downtown for a few weeks.
In Ohio, they've begun passing out "aborted baby dolls" to kids. In Minnesota, they simply pass out plastic fetuses and coloring books to kids.
If you think this stuff, and making aboriton illegal in South Dakota, is pretty messed up, take the opportunity to support reproductive rights. Check out the Comedy for Choice to support NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota on Thursday, July 13 at the Woman's Club of Minneapolis. Details and tickets here: www.prochoiceminnesota.org
Looked to me that that little prop plane was struggling to pull that banner--I was concerned about safety. Regardless of the message, it looked like a stupid disaster ready to happen if the wind blew the right way.
I was surprised to see it out on the second day. I assume that means that it was all legal. I am surprised that the FAA would allow such a thing.
Wait, the Admininstrator is a long term Bushoid.
Never mind. . . .
»» Submitted by Los Agen at 6:25 PM on June 21
Puh-LEASE with the "anti-choice." The only choice being opposed is the choice to dismember fetuses, which is one choice out of millions.
You don't call people "anti-choice" when they oppose the choice to smoke in restaurants, the choice to molest children, the choice to own firearms. You only say "anti-choice" when they oppose that one choice.
You're not saying anything about your opposition. What you're saying is that to you, "choice" means "abortion". In which case you're not really pro choice. You're pro abortion.
»» Submitted by Christina at 3:40 PM on June 25
Nobody is "pro abortion." Not even the staunchest pro-choice advocate. In an ideal world, everyone would have the right to an abortion, but nobody would ever have one.
However we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real world. In the real world, women have to sometimes make very hard choices about the insides of their own bodies. At such times, they are not helped by having grandstanding politicians pretend to have some business being involved. Nor are they helped by dreamy-eyed religionists with cherubic fantasies, no by purse-lipped harridans wagging their fingers, nor are they helped by bellicose protesters shouting at them in parking lots.
A woman's sovreign territory begins at her skin, and NOBODY has a right to tell her what to do about a creature growing inside that skin. Your religious beliefs may tell you otherwise, but until you manage to turn America into the Christian-Taliban Theocracy of your wet dreams, I suggest you go back to your Bibles and count the number of times the word 'abortion' appears as opposed to the word 'compassion.'
When I saw that plane overhead on Saturday, all I could think of was the number of starving Ethiopian kids who could have been fed with the money that rental cost. But of course, we don't CARE about those kids, because they've already been born and can fend for themselves.
»» Submitted by Albatross at 2:21 PM on June 26
Gosh, Christina, does that then mean that by calling yourself pro-life you're implying that the rest of us are anti-life?
Oops, there I go again, trying to use a serious argument against someone who snubs science and research in favor of a loosely interpreted, oft-mistranslated, 2,000-year-old story book.
I am anti your life. Zing.
»» Submitted by woooord at 3:12 PM on August 4
It's true, "anti-choice" is only used in the context of abortion. So is "pro-life". Let's play your little game. To consider yourself in favor of life, you need to end the death penalty, war, violence, poverty, and yes, smoking. Is an American life "saved" by preventing some terrorist act that hasn't occurred more valuable than an innocent Iraqi life taken by our troops? Is the revenge killing of a murderer in the electric chair better than what he did? Will you vote for a tax increase so we can provide health care for hard-working people who have to choose between life-preserving health care and a house for their innocent children in a safe neighborhood? Then, will you support a ban on smoking, ESPECIALLY in your own home if you have defenseless children? Guns? Again, in your home, because your innocent child is much more likely to die than some hypothetical intruder? How about other bad choices people make: driving under the influence of ANY alcohol, or even with too little sleep?
No, I didn't think so.
Fight for an end to all the senseless things that kill innocent people, THEN call yourself pro-life. Certain choices, like forcing a rape victim you don't know to carry a pregnancy to term, are cheap and easy for you to make. Saving other innocent lives requires tougher choices on your part, doesn't it?
»» Submitted by Callie at 3:13 PM on August 11
Over 3,500 terminations per day, 1.3 MILLION per year in the United States alone.
50 or 60 MILLION per year World Wide.
I am a pro-lifer who has no religious convictions at all . I didn't need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sence of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term
you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you. Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?
I'm all for contraception, prevention is certainly better than termination.
Did you know you can get an implant that is safe, 99.9% effective, and lasts for three years? Just think girls not even a show for three years, wouldn't that be great? I think too many people rely too heavily on the last option (abortion), I think if abortions weren't so readily available people would manage their reproductive system far better resulting in a fraction of the number of unwanted pregnancies.
World wide there are over 50 MILLION aborted pregnancies each year. In America 3,500 terminations carried out every day, that's over 1.3 million every year, 50% of all cases CLAIMED that birth control had been used, 48% admitted they took no precaution, and 2% had a medical reason. That's a stagering 98% could have been prevented had an effective birth control been used. Don't get me wrong, I suspect the percentages in Australia would be much the same.
Just a lot of unnessessary killing.
I am convinced that in the not too distant future, people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.
At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existance. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.
Have you checked out (abortionclinnicdays)-the reality show.
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