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Abysmal Chick is nuts. Don Shelby was a guest at the last taping of Drinking With Ian, and he was amazingly cool. Why hate him, when there are so many other dbags in this state?
The entire interview was premised on the fact that he's a recovering alcoholic, and he was able to speak quite frankly about it while maintaining his sense of humor ("I've thrown up more good whisky through my nose than most people will ever drink"). In my opinion, he didn't come across at all like Ted Baxter on MTM.
He also plays pretty mean blues guitar for a TV anchorman (although I understand that DeRusha really knows how to rock the theremin).
»» Submitted by »»» mike_s at 9:43 AM on June 29
Re: University Ave. I just noted that Big Daddy's BBQ is in the former Abundent Life Bistro location, which has moved into the old Saigon restaurant at University & Dale.
If you like BBQ as I do, you'll like Big Daddy's. Lee & Dee's serves a good BBQ in Saint Paul as well. I'm particularly fond of the fried catfish at Lee & Dee's.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 9:46 AM on June 29
Shelby was great on Drinking with Ian.
I didn't get the sense that she dislikes him, per se, just that sometimes people seem to idolize him and that he looks so calm and collected that it would probably be hilarious to see him lose it on the air.
And I've met her, and yes she is nuts, but in a good way...
I think Marsh needs to move back to White Bear...city living is unsafe, and perhaps too much, for the poor young man to handle.
»» Submitted by grote at 9:54 AM on June 29
"I've thrown up more good whisky through my nose than most people will ever drink."
This solidifies my opinion of Don Shelby as a cool mofo.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 10:01 AM on June 29
I dated a woman a while back who HATED Shelby. She thought he came across smug and uninformed. I've listen to his radio show on the way home from work the last couple of years and couldn't disagree more. He's obviously a born raconteur, and I dig his on-air sense of humor. He's just the slightest bit subversive without being vulgar, a talent I obviously do not possess.
»» Submitted by »»» wtfmn at 9:59 AM on June 29
where is Jason? I need my Seth fix...
»» Submitted by »»» Kal at 10:05 AM on June 29
Don does a mean Ted Baxter impersonation. I didn't read Abysmal Chick's blog as dishing haterade on Shelby... it didn't make any sense to me... but it didn't seem hateful. He is very charming in person... he tells extremely dirty jokes... and has the best stories ever from the old days of ass-kicking hard-drinking journalism.
Whatever people think of him as a "TV personality", I feel lucky to work with a main anchor who knows how to do real reporting. It's cool to have an advocate for journalism in our newsroom, rather than an empty suit just reading the teleprompter. It's (sadly) an unusual thing in local TV news.
I used to think he was insanely arrogant, but it turns out, he's just way smarter than me. Not really arrogant if you've got the goods.
And I've met her, and yes she is nuts, but in a good way...
YUSSS
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 10:12 AM on June 29
I didn't mean to imply that I've met her, but I want to now
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 10:12 AM on June 29
What did Muhammad Ali say? It ain't bragging if you can back it up?
Max, according to teh google, it was actually either Dizzy Dean who said, "It ain't bragging if you done it," or Walt Whitman who said, "If you done it, it ain't bragging."
Come to think of it, I never saw Muhammad Ali, Dizzy Dean, and Walt Whitman in the same place at the same time....
»» Submitted by »»» mike_s at 10:13 AM on June 29
So you missed the Ali, Dean, and Whitman cage match of 1962? It was called Rage in the Cage.
Surprisingly, Whitman won with a technical knock out.
I have described Don Shelby as "just like Ted Baxter, if Ted Baxter was a member of mensa."
I would also say there's a touch of the J. Peterman in him as well.
That said, I enjoy him and he will be missed when he hangs up his Pratt/Shelby knot tie for the last time.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 10:26 AM on June 29
That's right - he finally put Ali down with a combination of free verse culminating with a left hook to the liver, two minutes and fifty-three seconds into round six. Ali's corner men threw in the towel as they felt Ali was unfairly constrained by iambic hexameter.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 10:30 AM on June 29
Ali favored rhyming couples, but his meter tended to be pretty free.
I was channel-surfing AM radio on the way home a few weeks back and heard Shelby chiming in on the MN hiker who was, at that point, missing from Eagle Pass near Mt. Rainier. Apparently Don is an avid hiker/climber and had done the same route 5 or 6 times, and his ability to vividly describe the appearance of the areas on and around the trails was uncanny. He used some serious climber's terminology, busting out terms like "headwall", "scree" and my personal favorite "gilssade". Don's the real deal...just ask him.
»» Submitted by grote at 10:30 AM on June 29
I have always been fond of the pugulistic poets.
Mental image of spectators at Rage in the Cage: the usually shy and retiring Emily Dickenson, in a black hoop skirt, standing in the front row screaming "give him the chair!"
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 10:45 AM on June 29
Yeah, scrote, I hate wearing shoes too.
Can I find that Shelby-Ian tete a tete on youtube or something?
»» Submitted by stevemarsh at 10:57 AM on June 29
I don't think it's been broadcast yet. I was at the taping a few weeks ago.
Here's some photos, though.
Bob, that's awesome. I found a poem that Emily Dickinson wrote about the fight in question.
He's on the ropes and it's round four -
What's left of man squints out through bruis-ed eyes
A broken man; buffeted quintessence of despair
Punches unchecked; much to the crowd's delight
Whitman is down, and his corner's fussy
And I've got a 10-spot riding on this fight.
Walt, you lazy prick! Get up and box you pussy!"
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 10:55 AM on June 29
How awesome is it that Shelby wore a pin-striped suit to play blues guitar? I totally love him now.
Also: totally love Bob bringing the LOLs.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 11:08 AM on June 29
When is that show going to run? And why haven't I been invited on Drinking with Ian yet? BS.
»» Submitted by stevemarsh at 11:16 AM on June 29
teucer---Helluva poem, but I don't think it could have been Emily Dickinson. You can sing all of her poems (well, most of them) to the tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas." Sorta makes that whole "I heard a fly buzz when I died" stuff a little cheerier.
»» Submitted by ohthehumanity at 11:12 AM on June 29
Oh, and did I miss something? This isn't news?
»» Submitted by stevemarsh at 11:20 AM on June 29
Ohthehumanity: Well, she was probably a bit overexcited when she wrote it. After all, I don't recall Emily Dickinson ever again being quite so foul-mouthed.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 11:22 AM on June 29
Maybe not in print. But around Amherst she was known as Emily "Do You Take Communion with that Mouth?" Dickinson.
»» Submitted by ohthehumanity at 11:27 AM on June 29
I will never understand how teleprompter readers get mistaken for being more than just that.
I mean, c'mon folks. We all have hobbies.
So what?
»» Submitted by bud jr at 11:29 AM on June 29
Also: totally love Bob bringing the LOLs.
Buy me a couple of drinks at Suzie's on Monday and the LOLs will flow like good whiskey from Don Shelby's nose.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 11:33 AM on June 29
Dude, I have to pay for the LOLs? What the hey! Isn't my love of ethanol enough, Bob?
:)
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 11:41 AM on June 29
Dude, Shelby can come off as a little smug, but he's more than a teleprompter reader. By all accounts, he's some type of autodidact. Have you heard his radio show? Of course not, bud, you're listening to "The Grand Wizard's Hour of Power" over the shortwave at that time.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:42 AM on June 29
The privitization of Hedy is a sad day in MN blogging. Totally pouring some of my Martini on the sidewalk later today in mourning.
»» Submitted by grote at 11:40 AM on June 29
I'm sure the LOLs will flow freely, without tariffs, excise tax or "user fees."
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 11:42 AM on June 29
Steve Marsh, what's newsworthy is you have a 17 year old Dodge that still runs. Seriously, how? My Daytona crapped out at 100k.
Also, Don Shelby is cool and has street cred. He spoke at a conference I was at, and he was funny, warm, and insanely knowledgeable about what we did in our industry.
»» Submitted by yepnope at 11:43 AM on June 29
The only reason I'm registered is because this filter thing wouldn't let me use the word "nazi" or something in that last one. WTF?
Yeah, losing Hedy is sad. But I'm sure another sorta hot solipsist will pop up in due time.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:43 AM on June 29
dreusha is all up in my office, picking up his furniturez right now. his son is rocking some serious sunglasses
»» Submitted by David Foureyes at 11:45 AM on June 29
Sorta hot?
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 11:46 AM on June 29
My daddy collects them. He's a domestic car savant.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:46 AM on June 29
Do you really want me to go through the checklist, sweetie?
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:47 AM on June 29
I'm not surprised about Hedy -- given her future profession, that blog was a little bit TMI.
»» Submitted by »»» mike_s at 11:48 AM on June 29
I nominate Ranty to fill the Hedy vacuum...just needs less construction reportage and more self-photos and a few tales of drunken debauchery...cats optional.
»» Submitted by grote at 11:48 AM on June 29
What's TMI?
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:49 AM on June 29
ohthehumanity: I've definitely learned something. This is another new insight into Victorian-era personalities that have been turned up in recent historical reexaminations.
Consider, for example, this historical re-enactment of a dark period in Florence Nightingales's post-Crimean career, courtesy of that affable historian Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead guy). Probably not safe for work.
Ah history. Sometimes a little of the true humanity of her subjects may be vouchsafed to us, thanks to the diligence and inquisitorial natures of those who devote their lives to study.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 11:41 AM on June 29
ahhhh...I was wondering why Mike S stopped advertising his personal scandals...seems D&W is a less relaxed environ than I'd imagined.
»» Submitted by grote at 11:49 AM on June 29
Do you really want me to go through the checklist, sweetie?
I'm thinking no...
Oh! More strangers calling me sweetie! It's my lucky week! ;-)
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 11:50 AM on June 29
Too Much Inebriation
»» Submitted by grote at 11:50 AM on June 29
Alie, I'm going to call you pumpkin from now on if that's okay.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 11:52 AM on June 29
Alie: I don't know if I'm going to call you any more cute and diminutive names. You completely ignored me when I referred to you as "toots" on that thread about the City Pages article on sexism.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 11:53 AM on June 29
Josie- love that!
Teucer- I caught that, but I'm at work and don't usually have time to think of funny well thought out responses...gotta keep the surfing on the DL...
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 11:54 AM on June 29
I just assumed that "toots" was an amalgamation of "boobs" and "tats".
»» Submitted by grote at 11:55 AM on June 29
Ah. Is Hedy studying to be an accountant or something? Is there an acronym for Sell Out then? Just kidding, I'm a sell out!
And what's wrong with calling women cute and diminutive names? Is MNspeak getting all Faludi now that Maxy is in charge? I mean, I haven't read that other thread, but Pete Scholtes a sexist? Are you kidding me? The guy is the most careful according-to-Hoyle guilty white dude of all times.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 11:56 AM on June 29
I have nothing to do with the diminutive names, baby.
Nah, Steve, just a little pet peeve of mine...but no harm, no foul...
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 12:03 PM on June 29
Grote FTW
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 12:00 PM on June 29
LOL @ grote!
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 12:03 PM on June 29
Okay, mi amor.
That was to Max.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:03 PM on June 29
I wouldn't worry about Marsh dissing Hedy- it's probably just his bruised ego talking, as she's no doubt shot him down at some point.
But I've gotta back him up on Sholtes.
»» Submitted by jdavis at 12:01 PM on June 29
Goddamn, when did these nerds take over? Grote, how do you stand it?
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:04 PM on June 29
Hedy Devine? Shoot me down? Easy there, jd. I'm sure she's sweet, but she blogs about going to her lakecabin on the weekend. She don't roll VIP. Uh-uh. I haven't been shot down since Kelly Mahoney in 2003.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:06 PM on June 29
Steve, you can call me sweetie. The only one that makes me violent is "Missy." Besides, I have that terrible Midwest affectation of calling everyone Hon, so I can't judge.
I don't need the domestic car survival checklist. I said fuck it and bought a Japanese car.
As for Hedy's blog, it's a fantastic read but not the stuff you want out there while your bar application is pending. The character and fitness assessment has some anal-probish qualities.
»» Submitted by yepnope at 12:11 PM on June 29
I didn't know the bar involved anal probing!
I guess lawyers are more fun than most people think!
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 12:15 PM on June 29
Oh, she's going to be a law-yer. Got it. How boring. Poor kid. She really had potential as a cat blogger.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:17 PM on June 29
Wayne, this is my theory- truly great lawyers (and by extension, judges) who like what they do are some of the funniest people you'll meet. The rest, not so much.
»» Submitted by yepnope at 12:16 PM on June 29
I'd agree with yepnope.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:18 PM on June 29
Marsh- but that was no ordinary lakeside cabin coverage, was it? She made the North Woods look hot.
And Kelly Mahoney, really? Sure you want to broadcast that? Or is that your sense of irony talking?
»» Submitted by jdavis at 12:16 PM on June 29
Oooh, my mom used to call me Missy when I was in trouble for something. I'm right there with you on disliking that one. It brings up bad memories.
I do enjoy a nice "dollface" every now and then.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 12:18 PM on June 29
I guess that means bobby_b is pretty good at being lawyer-y then, because he's been a laugh riot lately.
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 12:20 PM on June 29
I like it when people call me honeynad.
I like it when old men call me "boy."
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 12:22 PM on June 29
Yeah, bobby_b has been most entertaining but he's gone quiet as of late. Hopefully he'll be back soon.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 12:22 PM on June 29
Okay, okay, okay, jdavis. STOP PUSHING ME! PLEASE, JUST STOP PUSHING ME. Please. DO YOU WANT THE TRUTH?!? DO YOU REALLY WANT THE TRUTH???
Hedy Devine raped me when I was in fourth grade.
Do the math, fuckers. Do the math.
[Quietly sobbing. Gurgling. Rocking back and forth.]
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:22 PM on June 29
Wayne: "I like it when old men call me "boy."
I'm not going to make any sort of a sassy remark.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 12:24 PM on June 29
Bobby's probably in court. Judges frown upon counsel screwing around on the intertubes during trial. Something about malpractice, or whatever.
»» Submitted by yepnope at 12:27 PM on June 29
Wayne, is there something you're not sharing with us?
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 12:25 PM on June 29
Oh, do share, Wayne, share!
Jesus. This is horrible.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 12:39 PM on June 29
Hmm, maybe that's how Wayne is supplementing his white-but-blue-collar income.
You know, buddy, you could just pick up a few shifts at Surdyk's.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 12:41 PM on June 29
I remember Don Shelby's early seventies days when he was paired with Pat Miles. There were a lot of sexual innuendoes made back then, which would never be tolerated now. I remember when female employees of Channel 4 felt uncomfortable being around Mr. Shelby, and Ted Canova was a problem, himself. Amelia Santaniello really toned down her co-anchor; she won't take any garbage from anyone. I appreciate when a person realizes they have a problem with drugs or alcohol and they seek help from it. I'm sure there are other anchors or reporters with similar problems, but they're not as open as Don. Whether, it's just maturity or experience, Don Shelby has turned into an accomplished journalist and I admire his dedication to the Ronald Mc Donald House
»» Submitted by »»» aleshire at 12:26 PM on June 29
It appears we've angered Steve Marsh, whoever he is.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 12:44 PM on June 29
Jesus. This is horrible.
I blame myself...
»» Submitted by »»» aliecat at 12:52 PM on June 29
Foureyes: Why didn't you say hi? I thought I heard someone mispronounce my last name prior to me identifying myself. Which is insane, because I haven't showered and I'm wearing a bright lime green Nike workout shirt. And if you work at Room & Board-- do you get to take home all the leftover furniture?
Mnspeak will not be free until nerd persecution begins.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 1:01 PM on June 29
Steve, you have a blog.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 1:03 PM on June 29
blogs are the modern way of making your friends listen to your boring stories they don't care about.
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 1:06 PM on June 29
Ooh, that hurts so much. Maybe you can find some Dickinson on google to more delightfully underscore your point.
Geek.
C'mon, people, who's got the torches? Let's mob up on these dweebs.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 1:09 PM on June 29
who are you talking to, marshmellow?
the only ones here are the ones you're being an ass to.
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 1:17 PM on June 29
All I have to say on this topic Steve - as I don't feel like I know you well enough yet for us to start jerking each other off publicly - is that most people over 25 writing blog entries on how they've started reading comic books again may safely consider themselves to be nerds.
Wipe the sand out of your eyes and take a good long look at what you've become.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 1:19 PM on June 29
What he's become?
I'm talking specifically about the Wayne-Aliecat-Teucer axis of drips. I refuse to believe your dorkma is representative of the new mnspeak.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 1:20 PM on June 29
I am...becoming.
»» Submitted by »»» smarsh at 1:22 PM on June 29
Jason: I was actually walking into my office when I spotted you and was with a vendor, so it might have been a bit odd to roll over for a howdy. My office is over in that section of the building, so next time for sure.
And what did I say? Deroosha? What is it, Derussia? I don't have television, so I've not seen you introduced.
»» Submitted by David Foureyes at 1:21 PM on June 29
Being dised online by Little Stevie is a honor in these parts, teucer.
You are now a White Belt, 10th kyu.
Max will now be your sensei as you move into advanced MNspeaking. Listen closely and learn well, as he is a True Master of the Martial Art of Snark.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 1:31 PM on June 29
I'm 1/8 nerd...on my dad's side of the family.
»» Submitted by grote at 1:41 PM on June 29
Bob: Oh it's all in good fun. It would be tough for me to take Steve very seriously because he's so obviously trolling.
I'm shocked to discover that Max is a snark master. He hides his snarkiness well.
»» Submitted by »»» teucer at 1:39 PM on June 29
I'm talking specifically about the Wayne-Aliecat-Teucer axis of drips. I refuse to believe your dorkma is representative of the new mnspeak.
Ouch...hurts so good...
He hides his snarkiness well
That is the sign of a True Master.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 1:46 PM on June 29
Marsh is the Stephen A. Smith of MNSpeak.
»» Submitted by grote at 1:54 PM on June 29
Quit being mean to me, Steve, or I'm telling my mom on you...
jderusha: And regarding leftovers: wouldn't that be nice.
»» Submitted by David Foureyes at 2:38 PM on June 29
Time for an LOLcat break!
»» Submitted by Gardy at 2:58 PM on June 29
That is why it is a good year to be a Cubs fan...
Bless your LOLcat lovin' heart. Meow.
»» Submitted by »»» josie at 3:03 PM on June 29
De-Russia... like the country. In sixth grade the hilarious burn my classmates unleashed: "De-Russia! You some kind of Commie?"
Yes. Exactly.
You used the very common De-roosha. My favorite mispronounciation was when someone tried to French-ify my last name, making it "De-Roosh-ay". Oui oui.
Actually, it's kind of cool to hear the French try to pronounce your name. I got a big kick out of a Lyon hotel clerk calling me "Ro-bear Mo-feet"
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 4:12 PM on June 29
My blog is now private because someone, maybe even one of you, maliciously tried to sabotage my life. I don't know who, and I don't know why. At this point, I don't even know the full extent of their actions, but having a public blog is definitely not worth the risk.
If you want to keep reading my blog, and if you are not the aforementioned saboteur, feel free to send me an email: devine.hedy@gmail.com.
xo HDV
»» Submitted by HDV at 4:21 PM on June 29
Sorry to hear that, hedy. I wish it was a saner and nicer world we live in.
»» Submitted by »»» justpbob at 4:42 PM on June 29
Some people obviously have so little to do with their time than to try and take others down...it's a sad day for us all...
Yes, it is sad that poopheads have to mess things up for everybody else. I only recently discovered Hedy's blog and was enjoying reading it. So many dumbos.
This is off topic, but I am knocking off early and heading to the Lyndale Leaning Tower for some beers. It will be a while before my peeps show up. Anybody want to meet a stranger for a drink? I'm nice!
»» Submitted by »»» tara_r at 4:57 PM on June 29
see you there! (i'll be the guy with the smell of fresh manure emanating from his head)
»» Submitted by algonquin cheese at 4:59 PM on June 29
Yikes!
»» Submitted by »»» tara_r at 5:02 PM on June 29
just kidding. is it nice outside? anyone? i want to goooooooo.
»» Submitted by algonquin cheese at 5:03 PM on June 29
Very nice outside! OK, I'm going away from computer land now and heading to where the beer is. If anybody wants to have stranger drinks, I'll be the girl w/ curly pigtails, a turquoise sweater and a Kem Nunn book in hand. BEER TIME!
»» Submitted by »»» tara_r at 5:04 PM on June 29
Very nice outside! OK, I'm going away from computer land now and heading to where the beer is. If anybody wants to have stranger drinks, I'll be the girl w/ curly pigtails, a turquoise sweater and a Kem Nunn book in hand. BEER TIME!
»» Submitted by »»» tara_r at 5:04 PM on June 29
jealous. and i just googled kem nunn. he is in the same vein as raymond chandler, apparently. > 4pm on Friday is the longest hour ever created.
»» Submitted by algonquin cheese. at 5:05 PM on June 29
My blog is now private because someone, maybe even one of you, maliciously tried to sabotage my life. I don't know who, and I don't know why.
I don't have any personnel axe to grind with Hedy, or any other bloggers who either frequent or just drop by MnSpeak. But I have sampled the content at a number of their blogs, from people here mentioning those blogs.
My reaction is that a frequently recurring component of so many of the blogs is the blogger describing an encounter with this or that stranger at a bar or a social function, often in considerable detail, and doing it in a very negatively one-sided way, typically ending with something like "What an asshole!"
Another category seems to be detailed dissing on ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends, with a good likelihood that at least a number of readers will know the individual in question.
Little wonder then that sometimes an individual who's been so dissed, relatively publicly, will be inclined to retailiate. I'm not condoning it, and I'm not exactly saying that the blogger is asking for that; I'm just saying that it probably goes with the territory.
And the solutions would be to either restrict access, a la MySpace's for-accepted-friends-only, or not talk smack about an individual if you're going to do it in a way that enables people to pinpoint who's being talked about.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 5:02 PM on June 29
Marsh, you're the biggest dweeb of them all.
»» Submitted by »»» acalhoun at 5:18 PM on June 29
Little wonder then that sometimes an individual who's been so dissed, relatively publicly, will be inclined to retaliate. I'm not condoning it, and I'm not exactly saying that the blogger is asking for that; I'm just saying that it probably goes with the territory.
So, in this vein of argument, a small embarrassment known only to a few people constitutes potentially ruining someone's life? Word's are just words, they hurt for a minute and then they are gone. Actions stick around forever, and I just can't see bitching about an ex, or whatever, should constitute vindictive and juvenile behavior.
non-blogger, remember that old nursery rhyme "sticks and stones..."?
»» Submitted by non-blogger 2 at 7:29 PM on June 29
So, in this vein of argument, a small embarrassment known only to a few people constitutes potentially ruining someone's life? Word's are just words, they hurt for a minute and then they are gone. Actions stick around forever, and I just can't see bitching about an ex, or whatever, should constitute vindictive and juvenile behavior.
In a blog attracting very little readership, then certainly it's not such a big deal.
But many bloggers aspire to significantly increase their audience by being linked-to from many other blogs. And from forums like Mnspeak (via links in posts and in comments, and via MnSpeak's aggregator). [Hedy is one such example; perhaps Aliecat has similar aspirations.] Then it becomes a bigger deal, because the blog's negative portrayals of identifiable individuals become that much more public, seen by that many more people.
At that point, it's sensible to excercize restraint in how and what you say negatively about identifiable individuals. Just as, recently here at MnSpeak, Max emphatically laid down the law to put a stop to some participants here engaging in harshly personal attacks against individual MnSpeakers.
Unfortunately, many bloggers feel they shouldn't have to bother with such ethical considerations. Which is a mighty selfish attitude. But then, blogging tends to be such a self-absorbed pastime, so I suppose that's not surprising.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 8:04 PM on June 29
I can assure you, I don't talk about things to increase my readership and neither does Hedy. I talk about things because sometimes it's easier to air my feelings than to bottle them up. To self censor would defeat the purpose of a blog; but not all bloggers, myself included, blithely talk about the people in our lives without the worry of hurting someone's feelings. A better reaction to a private person discovering their presence or picture on someone's site would be simply to ask that the post or offending picture be removed, something that I would be more than happy to do. As to blogging being a self-absorbed pastime, that's absolutely true, but then, if it wasn't, who would do it? We all like our little moment in the sun. If we didn't, you wouldn't be posting your opinion on this site, however anonymous you are.
We all like our little moment in the sun. If we didn't, you wouldn't be posting your opinion on this site, however anonymous you are.
No, I'm not at all interested in attracting attention to myself; I'm just interested in seeing worthy comments get added here. When I think of something that seems worthy, if I feel like it I comment here; but I choose to do so anonymously, because it's not about who I am, it's about the info or point of getting added to the discussion.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 8:27 PM on June 29
You really just proved my point. You feel you have something worthy to say to the general public and posted it...doesn't matter if people know who you are or don't...hence the purpose of blogs...
You really just proved my point.
No, the point you were claiming was that by posting here I'm being as self-absorbed as a typical blogger. Contributing material anonymously is not being self-absorbed.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 8:37 PM on June 29
Sure it is, you just can't be held accountable or attacked personally for what you say...
woah whole lotta hatin' goin' on in here ):
»» Submitted by »»» wayne at 8:58 PM on June 29
whas a personnel axe, anyhoo?
»» Submitted by grote at 10:03 PM on June 29
I'm feelihng like john stamos w.out the 5oclock shadow.
»» Submitted by grote at 10:17 PM on June 29
That Stephen A. Smith shit is the worst thing that's ever been said about me.
»» Submitted by stevemarsh at 3:06 AM on July 1
maybe even one of you
hmmm...anyone on this thread seem like the guilty party?
non blogger, why are you picking fights? hedy is private now, so leave her alone. what she writes is obviously for entertainment value, not to hurt anyone. and aliecat was just sticking up for her friend, so leave her alone, too.
yay, now we can all be friends.
»» Submitted by Anonymous at 5:55 PM on July 1
Additional common traits among bloggers:
a) Tremendous eagerness to unleash harsh, shooting-from-the-hip, criticism at others. . .
. . . paired with:
b) Loudly complaining when anyone directs even constructive criticism at them.
Seems very immature.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 6:46 PM on July 1
This thread really sucks. You guys should be ashamed. I mean, I read the whole thing and this was the only comment worth responding to:
Oh, she's going to be a law-yer. Got it. How boring. Poor kid.
HEY! Lawyering is hot. Ya got yer statutes and yer precedents and yer briefs and all that...'tsall hot. Different cases. I'm getting sweaty just writin' about it.
See what I mean? Even I can't save this thread. That's how lame it is.
»» Submitted by »»» kwatt at 6:38 PM on July 1
Seems very immature.
and you "comment fighting" with aliecat isn't? calling bloggers self-absorbed isn't constructive criticism, it's mean and immature. kwatt is right, you should be ashamed.
»» Submitted by Anonymous at 8:22 PM on July 1
Happy July, btw.
This thread is lame only in the sense that people don't seem to understand what blogs are: public -- or private -- diaries. Now, Hedy's blog isn't gone; it's gone private. And she has every right to do that because she may now be unfortunately realizing the hard way that there are perverts or sabatours out there who actually act on their perversion vs. your average run-of-the-mill perversion that takes place through general posting on public locally produced message boards. Ahem.
ALL of this is for public record. All of these comments are public, whether you're blogging or commenting. You can choose to be anonymous and be a pervert or a jerk or a racist or a sexist pig. On the other hand you can register, link to your personal or business website (ahem 2.0), and post (and still be all of the above said person-types).
Here they be dragons. And for that you need to be responsible.
Which is why -- even in the most challenging of states -- I pause when I post. And so should you, if you care.
Oh, and Kwatt, all lawyers are hot. And least the one I sleep with is. (Oops...did I actually post that?!?!?!! Damn...)
Oh, and Kwatt, all lawyers are hot. And least the one I sleep with is.
Yes she is.
Yes she is.
»» Submitted by »»» kwatt at 8:36 PM on July 1
hedy's blog is private, but i doubt the poor girl will even post anymore after all this, especially with non-blogger up in here encouraging retaliation. some people are obviously too uptight. posts along the line of: "i went out and this guy was there and he was such an a-hole!" are FUNNY. that's why people write them and we like to read them. it's not serious, it's called creative writing.
»» Submitted by Anonymous at 8:32 PM on July 1
. . . with non-blogger up in here encouraging retaliation.
That's quite a misrepresentation of what I've said. Pasted below is what I actually said:
Little wonder then that sometimes an individual who's been so dissed, relatively publicly, will be inclined to retailiate. I'm not condoning it, and I'm not exactly saying that the blogger is asking for that; I'm just saying that it probably goes with the territory.
That's hardly "encouraging retaliation".
Those who choose to be fairly, or very, public in attacking some other individual(s) simply ought to expect that they will, in turn, become targets of personal attacks. . . . Like the old saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
But if Hedy is actually being stalked or otherwise personally menaced (which I have no sense of, one way or the other, from what I've read here), then of course there can be no justification for that.
»» Submitted by Non-Blogger at 8:58 PM on July 1
Mr. (or Mrs.) Non-Blogger has yet to say anything crazy or out of line. If anything, he/she is just proving how thin-skinned bloggers really are. If you think your life and thoughts are so fascinating you need to start a blog, hey that's great. But when you post all those thoughts for the entire world to see, you need to understand some people are going to call you on your crap.
As for Hedy Devine, I can't help but wonder if at least a small part of her dramatic cloaking is to keep everyone talking about her. Drama!
»» Submitted by just sayin' at 9:19 PM on July 1
I thought we were ignoring anonymous trolls.
I am.
»» Submitted by »»» kwatt at 9:46 PM on July 1
here. here. kwatt.
You're busy with your lawyerporn, anyway. :)
Kevin, you should make a sign declaring your love for the lady lawyers, and stand outside all four law schools and the courthouses in town. Most dudes back away slowly when they hear the L word. You could clean up.
»» Submitted by yepnope at 10:08 PM on July 1
Kevin, you should make a sign declaring your love for the lady lawyers, and stand outside all four law schools and the courthouses in town. Most dudes back away slowly when they hear the L word. You could clean up.
I certainly am an amicus curiae, but that sounds a little pathetic, even for me.
»» Submitted by »»» kwatt at 10:56 PM on July 1
I nominate Ranty to fill the Hedy vacuum...
Thanks grote, but I am SO not worthy. Hedy is one of the best bloggers I've read! Also, while I have posted some non-work-related content lately, I initially stayed away from that (esp. photos) for precisely the reasons that HDV is now having issues.
The blogosphere can be a scary place...
»» Submitted by »»» ranty at 11:25 AM on July 2
Blog stalkers can be a pain. But the harmless ones are entertaining. Love it when they call me on my crap in my blog. Ah, good times!
»» Submitted by Christine at 12:46 PM on July 2
As for Hedy Devine, I can't help but wonder if at least a small part of her dramatic cloaking is to keep everyone talking about her. Drama!
Unfortunately, it's a real issue. However, I am still writing despite going private.
»» Submitted by HDV at 2:04 PM on July 2
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