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Are you smarter than a fifth grader?

The PiPress invites you to take the test. I'm not, but I can beat one up.

227 Reader Comments

SamB11:34am
Jul 30

And by "Star-Tribune," you of course meant "Pioneer Press"...

wayne11:35am
Jul 30

I'm smarter than a 15th grader.

Max Sparber  url11:37am
Jul 30

And by "Star-Tribune," you of course meant "Pioneer Press"...

I already told you I'm not that smart.

Fiddle fiddle.

wayne11:35am
Jul 30

ps here's a problem for you:

indyr11:43am
Jul 30

Mmmmmmmmm, calculus...

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wayne11:46am
Jul 30

first one to get the answer gets a drink on me. which is special because I'm a broke-ass hipster or something.

Elizabeth (not verified)11:45am
Jul 30

I used calculus to solve that 2nd problem (no graphing calculator handy). I don't think they intended that on an 11th grade test.

Probably the first time I've done calculus since my junior year of college.

wayne11:47am
Jul 30

maybe not 11th grade, but I did that problem in 12th grade for my calc class at the community college (because my high school ran out of math for me to take).

SamB11:46am
Jul 30

Wayne's problem looks like the actual graphics from a space battle game I used to play on my Commodore 64...

josie11:50am
Jul 30

The second question made my head hurt. God, I hate math.

amber12:05pm
Jul 30

I hate it, too. Mostly because it's just so lame...and hard for me...

jeffk12:06pm
Jul 30

Wayne's integral is Gaussian and = PI.

wayne12:12pm
Jul 30

word
I hope you like bodyshots

jeffk12:13pm
Jul 30

Wait, don't I get to choose?

wayne12:12pm
Jul 30

Also I remember how bizarre it seemed to me at first when we were learning how to do e^A, because raising something to the power of a matrix was kind of nonsensical until we actualy dove into it.

wayne12:14pm
Jul 30

first one to get the answer gets a drink on me.

I said a drink ON me. wink wink.

just for jk, but next mnspeak get-together I'll get you a beer (of your choice!)

wayne12:16pm
Jul 30

oh and from that wiki page in case it was lost in the clutter, here's the solution:

Kevin logged out (not verified)12:16pm
Jul 30

Gaussian, like the blur.

Photoshop guys, we understand everything.

wayne12:20pm
Jul 30

No, Gauss was pretty prolific and has a lot of things named after him. Gaussian Distributions aren't really related to Gaussian Integrals.

wayne12:21pm
Jul 30

He also did some kick ass work in magnetism.

DouglasG  url12:22pm
Jul 30

Carl Friedrich Gauss... C-Fred to his pals...

miller12:24pm
Jul 30

This is so Good Will Hunting

amber12:27pm
Jul 30

So...ahh...did you guys get laid this weekend?

josie12:31pm
Jul 30

lollerskates@amber

grote (not verified)12:31pm
Jul 30

yes...do you like apples???

jeffk12:31pm
Jul 30

No, but I had a little better luck last week.

bobby_b12:35pm
Jul 30

"And by "Star-Tribune," you of course meant "Pioneer Press"..."

I thought so.

Max's real first name is Par. You can tell by the inability to keep the two papers straight.

grote (not verified)12:36pm
Jul 30

He actually excels at keeping the papers apart.

bobby_b12:36pm
Jul 30

"So...ahh...did you guys get laid this weekend?"

Be quiet. They're calculusating.

(Where are your priorities? Sheesh.)

grote (not verified)12:38pm
Jul 30

the thought of doing a body shot off of wayne is, um......

Elizabeth (not verified)12:31pm
Jul 30

I know I'm way over-reacting about this, but thanks for subtly (or not so-subtly) implying that math is only for geeky boys who can't get laid.

I know we've got a lot of liberal arts majors here. How ridiculous would it be for someone to post, "Reading, ugh! It's so lame and makes my brain hurt." Or, "Did any of you bookworms get laid this weekend?"

Listen, I know math is hard for many people. I know it was for me--I only stuck with it because I needed if for my major. I don't think it's okay to willingly close yourself off to an entire topic just because it happens to be math. And I don't like buying into the Barbie stereotype"Math class is tough! I love shopping!"

DouglasG  url12:52pm
Jul 30

Also, you may want to read this post on Pharyngula from last week. Be sure to note the comic...

Christine (not verified)01:00pm
Jul 30

...but math class is tough... and I do love shopping!

Kevin from Minneapolis (not verified)01:06pm
Jul 30

Math helped me develop logical thinking skills.

No jokes, please. I has frajel ego.

wayne01:07pm
Jul 30

Hey, did any of you jerks get laid this weekend or did you just sit quietly sipping coffee and writing poetry while hoping you look cool?

wayne01:10pm
Jul 30

math is only for geeky boys who can't get laid

PS: It's also for geeky boys that CAN get laid, but often times choose not to because they cant' stand how dull and unintelligent normals are.

miller01:10pm
Jul 30

I'm with Elizabeth. Have you forgotten about Good Will Hunting? He had a lot of sex. With British chicks.

Math can be sexy.

DouglasG  url01:14pm
Jul 30

Despite what Wayne is implying, having some sort of degree in Mathematics does not make you somehow "un-normal". In his case it may be true, but in general it doesn't. Further, Amber did you get laid this week-end? I'll tell if you will...

amber01:14pm
Jul 30

Oh, Elizabeth, that's actually not what I meant at all! I KNOW math is not just for geeky boys who can't get laid. Plus, they have a much better shot of getting laid when I'm around, because I love geeky boys like that. Yeah. I'm that girl.

What I was trying to do with that comment was change the subject.

And did you really just call them "normals", Wayne?! Really?

tabitha (not verified)01:17pm
Jul 30

i wrote poetry and got laid this weekend with my math geek boyfriend and our band nerd lover

DouglasG  url01:18pm
Jul 30

Also, stop bringing up that awful movie Good Will Hunting... The movie itself wasn't terrible, it is just that math doesn't work the same way art does. You must know everything that comes BEFORE to get to the later things. Otherwise, you have to start from scratch on everything. Thus, the mathematics in the movie were all wrong.

amber01:21pm
Jul 30

But the guys in that movie were so hot...

And since we're kinda on the subject, has anyone seen the movie "Proof"? That movie made me want to be a math genius...or just play one on TV.

she-she01:24pm
Jul 30

"it is just that math doesn't work the same way art does. You must know everything that comes BEFORE to get to the later things"

i would argue the same is true for art.

DouglasG  url01:28pm
Jul 30

i would argue the same is true for art.

You must know some things, but you don't have to know how to sculpt to paint. It can be beneficial, but not necessary.

In math, you can't do algebra until you can do arithmetic. You can't do calculus until you can do algebra. It is all hierarchical. Where art isn't necessarily so.

she-she01:34pm
Jul 30

i tend to disagree, actually. technique is extremely hierarchical, not only in terms of medium and skill level, but also in terms of the history of art. one has to know where we have journeyed in terms of what art can do and be in order to keep developing art's possibilities.

Mpls Simpleton (not verified)01:38pm
Jul 30

i wrote poetry and got laid this weekend with my math geek boyfriend and our band nerd lover

Is this implying a 3some? :o

richg01:44pm
Jul 30

Given that she's referring to her boyfriend AND an entire band, it seems more like a moresome.

DouglasG  url01:44pm
Jul 30

However, what you are speaking of is proficiency rather than ability. To be GOOD at art, you need to know all of these things. However, they are not a requirement. Whereas, it is a requirement to know arithmetic before any foray into algebra can happen. x=7 is meaningless if you think 2+2=5...

My comment comes from a comment Matt Damon made when he came up with the idea of the movie. He wanted to explore the idea of a math genius as like an artist. Someone without any prior training in math having amazing skill at it -- a prodigy. "A Mozart of math" -- I believe his comment was.

wayne01:49pm
Jul 30

And did you really just call them "normals", Wayne?! Really?

It was for jks ):

But seriously, the number of nerd-loving girls on mnspeak is way way way above the average in society. Either that or I'm looking in all the wrong places. Just where do single nerd-loving women congregate?

wayne01:52pm
Jul 30

Also math is only dependent on underlying skills up to a certain point. Once you get past the initial areas (like calculus and linear algebra) it branches out like a beautiful tree. For the most part you don't have to know much about graph theory to do partial differential equations, &etc.

Of course most americans never get up to the point where math blossoms like that. Too bad, really.

Cat (not verified)01:53pm
Jul 30

Just where do single nerd-loving women congregate?

Nerd-lovin' women don't congregate. We sit in our darkened rooms playing xbox live, reading blogs or writing bad poety.

teucer01:57pm
Jul 30

Douglas has a point. Also, as graffiti-artist Banksy observes: "All artists are prepared to suffer for their work, but why are so few prepared to learn to draw?

Not to mention: "Modern art is a disgrace - never have so many people used so much stuff and taken so long to say so little."

I think it's quite possible to cut all sorts of corners and still make a name for yourself as an artist. You can't do the same in math.

I can't think of a well-known mathematician since the 18th Century who hadn't mastered a rich skillset. And, to make a name for yourself these days, you need to know not only the basics, but also all the work in the increasingly specialized sub-fields of math to which you have dedicated yourself. Catching up to the state of the art is one of the big challenges of math as a discipline, I have read.

I believe that was part of the tragedy of the amateur mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan (aside from his early death). Born to a poor family in India, he was largely self taught and although he is said to have an extraordinary talent, he spent a lot of time discovering already-known theorems and principles that could have been otherwise used if his talent had been recognized and appreciated earlier.

I don't think math and art are directly comparable, although math definitely appears to sometimes require a creative and inspirational streak.

bobby_b01:55pm
Jul 30

"i wrote poetry and got laid this weekend with my math geek boyfriend and our band nerd lover"

At least the band is aptly named.

josie02:03pm
Jul 30

I <3 Banksy.

There is a vast subset of women who <3 nerdy dudes...math nerds, science nerds, history nerds, book nerds, etc etc etc. We don't congregate, though, because we have to hide our nerd love around our jock-loving girlfriends.

bobby_b02:03pm
Jul 30

"I think it's quite possible to cut all sorts of corners and still make a name for yourself as an artist. You can't do the same in math."

I believe a mathematician calculated the failure probabilities of the tank-seal o-ring design on Challenger, making quite a name for himself, at NASA at least.

she-she02:00pm
Jul 30

"However, what you are speaking of is proficiency rather than ability. To be GOOD at art, you need to know all of these things. However, they are not a requirement."

Requirement for what? To make art, no matter how bad? To gain fame and fortune?

Most of the great modern and contemporary artsists came to their style en route of a disciplined training in realism. Today, the most recent artists study not only classical techniques but also the learnable techniques of modern art (ie composition, color, shape, etc).

richg02:08pm
Jul 30

I think we may need to be a little more clear in our definition of mathematicians here, because it sounds as if we're delving into areas that I generally consider the realms of engineering and science. Both are a rich pasture for math geeks, but they're not pure math, as the math averse, like myself, can appreciate them.

Cat (not verified)02:11pm
Jul 30

And I don't like buying into the Barbie stereotype"Math class is tough! I love shopping!"

I did well with math in college, but it was tough. I had to work really hard to get grades. I also love shopping.
The Barbie stereotype will always be around as long as women exist. But, we don't have to buy into a character that was created in the, what, 50's?
I grew up in the nerd herd so maybe my example isn't the norm, but more and more girls are now entering fields once deemed for men only. I have a fisheries biologist, a smokejumper, and a scientist in my family ... all sisters. All lovers of endless shopping, spa days, and all things deemed girly ... including the color pink.

DouglasG  url02:08pm
Jul 30

Requirement for what? To make art, no matter how bad?

Yes. Open a calculus textbook, and pick a problem at random and do it. Then paint a picture of a tree. Everyone on MNSpeak could the tree thing, but only a handful of us could do the Calculus problem. It isn't because we are smarter, it is just that we have had most of the prerequisites to solve the problem.

Even as Wayne points out, math branches out when you reach a certain level. However, everything in that level was build upon everything else before it in that specialty.

Elizabeth (not verified)02:22pm
Jul 30

Douglas, I think you're comparing two different things. A calculus problem is a very specific subset of math, with only one correct answer. Painting a tree is more open-ended. I think creating "good" art is just as difficult if not moreso than doing a calculus problem.

Art just isn't painting. There are also probably very few of us who could write a symphony. Again, because there are a lot of prerequisites.

And now we complete the circle and get back to Mozart and Good Will Hunting.

mazasapa02:22pm
Jul 30

I have a fisheries biologist, a smokejumper, and a scientist in my family ... all sisters.

Back in the mid-70s when I taught engineering, my students were 100% male. Later in the decade, we started to get a few women but they were still the token. By the mid-80s, the classes were about 50-50.

It was great to see the evolution, but that's about the time I stopped swearing because I was told to clean up my "bleeping language because there are bleeping ladies in here now." heh

she-she02:25pm
Jul 30

painting a tree is harder than it looks. just because someone engages in the act of painting a tree doesn't mean it's good. there is actually skill, technique and training involved to do it adequately

Elizabeth (not verified)02:28pm
Jul 30

Cat, I didn't see your comments when I posted. I probably shouldn't have thrown in the "I love shopping" quote (I saw it referenced in the article and decided it was more realistic than "Will we ever have enough clothes?").

The "ha-ha, math makes my brain hurt, so I'll decide to remain ignorant on the topic" sets my teeth on edge.

Actually, people choosing to be ignorant about just about anything sets my teeth on edge.

mazasapa02:31pm
Jul 30

painting a tree is harder than it looks.

Just use a spray can! Works great.

grote (not verified)02:30pm
Jul 30

wasn't the original motivation behind the creation of MNSpeak just a geek trying to get laid? shit works.

miller02:25pm
Jul 30

I'm going to take issue with your review of the modern classic, Good Will Hunting. It was pretty clear that Will had done a lot of studying, just not in the classic schoolroom atmosphere. He had an aptitude for math and was able absorb things quickly. I don't think the movie pretended that he knew higher math without studying it. He just remembered everything that he studied. And had sex.

josie02:40pm
Jul 30

Elizabeth, honestly, math does make my brain hurt, because I am no good at it. I'm sorry if that makes me a stereotypical girl, or, rather, if having a sense of humor about something I know I legitimately suck at is offensive to you. I don't "choose" to be ignorant about calculus; I know it's not my strength.

Things I am good at: sentence structure, grammar, history, baking.

bobby_b02:41pm
Jul 30

"I have a fisheries biologist, a smokejumper, and a scientist in my family . . ."

Does the biologist know you don't consider her to be a "scientist"?

richg02:44pm
Jul 30

If sucking at math and getting migraines when confronted with calculus makes you a girl, pass me a pink drink with an umbrella in it and take me to Nordstrom for some goddamn shoes.

Elrond (not verified)02:41pm
Jul 30

I saw the movie Proof and it made me want to be a blind photographer.

wayne02:48pm
Jul 30

since we're comparing art and math, when one does proofs there are often times many different ways to arrive at the logical conclusion that the statement you're trying to prove is true. however, a select few of these ways have an underlying beauty in their simplicity and elegance that I only wish non-math people could understand and appreciate, as they're every bit as beautiful as a great work of 'traditional' art.

Cat (not verified)02:49pm
Jul 30

Does the biologist know you don't consider her to be a "scientist"?

not true at all. It's a way to distinguish and believe me when I say that it's important to both.

DouglasG  url02:37pm
Jul 30

Many of you are completely missing the point. I am not talking about proficiency. I am not talking about how WELL something is done. I am talking about the ability to do it at all. You cannot in any way do Calculus before learning algebra. I am not saying you cannot do calculus well, before you learn algebra. I am saying that you will be completely unable to do calculus until you learn algebra.

Art lesson -- paint a tree.

Math lesson -- find the derivative of f(x) = x^2 - 32x + 4

You have to know prerequisites before you can do the math. Whereas anyone can paint a tree. Even 4 year olds.

This does not denigrate art! It is a different skill set. The requirements are different. It takes something special to create high art. However, I did not put the prerequisite that the art had to be any good.

aliecat  url02:55pm
Jul 30

Math was never my favorite subject, but for some reason I did loads better in calculus than in Trig and Geometry. Not sure why, though...

Jess02:57pm
Jul 30

There is a vast subset of women who <3 nerdy dudes...math nerds, science nerds, history nerds, book nerds, etc etc etc. We don't congregate, though, because we have to hide our nerd love around our jock-loving girlfriends.

If I could find a nerdy jock, I would be in heaven. Sadly, it seems it has to be one or the other.

Also, I am the suck at math. But I also hate shopping. Unless it's for make up or purses and I've done extensive online research prior to the act.

bobby_b02:55pm
Jul 30

"however, a select few of these ways have an underlying beauty in their simplicity and elegance that I only wish non-math people could understand and appreciate, as they're every bit as beautiful as a great work of 'traditional' art."

My weird old uncle collected bronze, silver, and baked-clay frogs and taods from across the world and across the centuries, constantly collaring all of us to extoll (again and again) what he considered some of mankind's most creative and inspired and inspiring expressions, and the meld of humanity's highest creativity and insight with nature's perfect forms.

You and he would have hit it off, I think.

Cat (not verified)02:54pm
Jul 30

Elizabeth: I agree with you except for the "choosing to be ignorant."
I don't know that most people choose to be ignorant as much as they have grown up in an environment in which exploration outside of their world has not been a priority.

Also, I think women are our worst enemies. I hear things like: "don't buy into this or that stereotype - u can be anything u want to b." and then almost in the same breath hear: "sweetie, r u sure u want that candybar? boys don't like fat girls with bad skin." "oh, and let the boys win as boys don't like girls that can beat them at anything." Transalation: U can b anything u want to b as long as ur thin, pretty and stay in a job that boys will deem appropriate. "

Those are the people that make want to swear.

amber03:02pm
Jul 30

Rich, I take offense at your comment that drinking pink drinks with umbrellas in them and shopping for shoes at Nordstrom makes you a girl.

As Michael would say: "No, that's ignorant. You're ignorant."

Elizabeth (not verified)03:01pm
Jul 30

josie, lighten up. I didn't mention any names. If you think your jokes on this thread were the first time I ever heard anyone express the desire to remain ignorant on an entire subject (whether its math or art or the works of Shakespeare), you're sorely mistaken.

ignorance != strength

DouglasG  url03:03pm
Jul 30

I was honorable mention all-state in football. I could beat every member of our tennis team, but didn't join the team because of the coach.

National honor society, math team, quizbowl... I did it all! We are a rare breed though.

amber03:05pm
Jul 30

BTW, Elizabeth, I'm so not making fun of you in that previous comment. I'm making fun of Rich.

I just wanted to make sure to get that out there, since I seem to be saying things today that are taken in the opposite context for which they were meant...

nateek03:04pm
Jul 30

I taught high school English for 12 years. My favorite comment from a student came when this senior girl named Katie said (in front of the class), "Mr. Eklund. When I get married, I want to marry someone like you and Mr. Jurek - you know. Like a mixture of you and a real man."

Mr. Jurek was a 6'4" math/business teacher. Somewhat of a nerdy jock. (So Jess, they exist.) As opposed to me, who is apparently a nerdy fruitcake.

Similar vein: another student once said, "Your wife must like guys with small arms."

Ah... the innocence of youth.

bobby_b03:07pm
Jul 30

"Rich, I take offense at your comment that drinking pink drinks with umbrellas in them and shopping for shoes at Nordstrom makes you a girl."

Those things won't actually make you into a girl, but they will qualify you for the federal funding for the operation.

nateek03:09pm
Jul 30

douglass g - didn't you beat me up once by the flagpole?

amber03:08pm
Jul 30

I was the vice president of the Knowledge Bowl and captain of my cheerleading squad.

No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though...

I also feel deeply under-appreciated for my knowledge of Air Supply lyrics, as well...

[Sadness]

josie03:08pm
Jul 30

I guess I could say the same to you, Elizabeth.

express the desire to remain ignorant on an entire subject

Why is playing to one's personal strengths "remaining ignorant"? That's the part I find offensive. I know enough about math to satisfy my daily needs (balancing my checkbook, etc), and I learned enough of it in school to realize it wasn't a career path for me, nor would I need advanced math in my chosen field.

Cat (not verified)03:12pm
Jul 30

No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though...

Oh, Amber the pandora's box you just opened.

And you're knowledge of Air Supply lyrics? Well, I think my friend Paul may be just the guy for you ... well, not really as he's gay;0). But he would greatly appreciate your love of AS.

Jess03:12pm
Jul 30

I was the vice president of the Knowledge Bowl and captain of my cheerleading squad.

No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though...

Yeah, I know. I was valedictorian as well as a cheerleader (why do I keep admitting that to people?) and softball player.

It's good to know the nerdy jocks are out there ... y'all are just so tough to find.

Elizabeth (not verified)03:15pm
Jul 30

josie, it's not about you. It's about the attitude in society that says math [or insert subject of your choice] is stupid, you'll never need it, so why bother learning about it?

I'm not attacking you personally (which is why I didn't direct my comments at any one person). As I tried to explain in my previous post, it's not your jokes specifically that got me riled up. It's the phenomenon that I see evidenced in the world at large.

tabitha (not verified)03:23pm
Jul 30

i got an "A" in calculus because my professor had a crush on me.

josie03:28pm
Jul 30

I do apologize for the assumptions; but the way you were phrasing it did feel a little like a personal dig, so I felt the need to explain myself. Thank you for the clarification.

mnblrmkr  url03:27pm
Jul 30

"No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though..."

I think Wayne does.

Max Sparber  url03:35pm
Jul 30

Just to let all y'all know what's going on, our anonytroll is in full force today, insulting other posters and attempting to bully me. As I stated last week, when the troll passed all reasonable bounds of public behavior, I don't have any patience anymore. As I warned the troll before, I consider the posts to be, at best, disruptive noise; at worst, I consider them to be deliberate attempts to sabotage this web site and the discussion contained therein. I am therefore deleting them whenever they pop up. He's going to keep posting, and complaining about censorship. Please ignore these comments, as they will also be deleted in short order.

tabitha (not verified)03:44pm
Jul 30

you're the greatest, max. our hero.

amber03:46pm
Jul 30

Max is the greatest, isn't he?! I've always known it...

bobby_b03:13pm
Jul 30

"Actually, people choosing to be ignorant about just about anything sets my teeth on edge."

You should relax your teeth. I dislike math, and chose college majors and post-college study with that preference firmly in mind. Your characterization of that as my choice "to remain ignorant" of math reflects more of your embracement of math than of anything intrinsic to me. I'm under no duty to value what you value, nor would I think of you as deficient if you couldn't intelligently discuss baseflow recession constants, dynamic optimization analysis, or efficient proximate causation. You've not likely made a choice to avoid them - they just don't usually arise outside of three areas of study, so no wilfullness is required to have missed out on them.

Cat (not verified)03:46pm
Jul 30

which proves your earlier statement max -- that you can beat up a 5th grader.

bobby_b03:47pm
Jul 30

Amber: "No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though..."

Cat: "Oh, Amber the pandora's box you just opened."

The pun was intended, right?

Cat (not verified)03:47pm
Jul 30

bobby_b: My sis would LOVE to engage in a discussion about the baseflow recession thingy. All I know is that it has something to do with water flow and she's talking about it A LOT lately -- drought related I think. Ok, this is a subject that I CHOOSE to be a little ignorant about. Much more interested in hearing about Forestry Management and fire -- plus, we get to look at really cool maps. Yep, again the map thing.

amber03:55pm
Jul 30

Gross, bobby_b.

bobby_b03:56pm
Jul 30

Well, yeah, that was my point.

Cat (not verified)03:57pm
Jul 30

bobby_b: being gross or ignorant?

Yeah, and the pandora's box comment was NOT intentional. Didn't realize how it could be taken until AFTER I hit the enter key.
... now there's ignant for yous.

josie03:52pm
Jul 30

SGU, I've seen a few of the comments before Max deleted them. They're deliberately rude and inflammatory and contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand, besides intentional disruption. I don't think Max is moderating for anything beyond transparent flaming.

DouglasG  url03:57pm
Jul 30

Nate - douglass g - didn't you beat me up once by the flagpole

It wasn't me -- I swear!

Tabitha - i got an "A" in calculus because my professor had a crush on me.

This on the other hand could have been me... Kidding!

josie04:02pm
Jul 30

(oh, you can delete that and this, I left the window open too long while I was writing it, and didn't know you deleted what I was referencing. you have the speed!)

nateek03:49pm
Jul 30

Max -
If it would help the general good, you can channel all of the anonytroll's tripe toward me. I'll sacrifice myself for the common good and he can just attack me.

However, I should mention, that the following jabs won't really affect me:
- i have skinny arms
- my head is too big for my body
- i wear capris and flip flops
- i'm only of average intelligence
- i'm a lesser man than my brother

So troll, if you come after me, you're going to have scratch deeper than that.

Max Sparber  url04:09pm
Jul 30

You may yet be one of the 30 under 30, or whatever the hell that was.

nateek04:22pm
Jul 30

I've thought about that, but in order to keep my parents off my back, I've guaranteed 47 under 47. I've got some time...

bobby_b04:30pm
Jul 30

"Max, as has been said, you aligning yourself on the side of censorship is just going to backfire."

You really shouldn't try to cloak dishonorable stalking shit in nobility, and then try to rub some of the nobility off on yourself, 'cuz, if you look, you'll see it's not the nobility that's sticking.

jderusha04:42pm
Jul 30

It would be fun to have an entire thread with all the eliminated posts in it.

Mpls Simpleton (not verified)04:45pm
Jul 30

That sounds like a decent idea JD but you would still have to excise out the personal information if any was present. If I want to laugh at morons I usually creep over to Anti-Strib. That is serious mouth breather land.

dezelske (not verified)04:45pm
Jul 30

MnSpeak Reader, it's one thing to allow people to have their say even if you disagree with it. It's quite another to be a shithead for the sake of being a shithead. I don't consider what Max is doing as censorship but more like sparing us the eyebleeding content this douchebag is attempting to subject us to.

If I wanted to listen to an asshole all day long, I'd eat more beans. Thanks, but no thanks.

bobby_b04:45pm
Jul 30

Well, unless you were the lucky person upon whom the unrequited loony has focused, of course.

raindog66 (not verified)04:48pm
Jul 30

Max never censors my comments. Maybe because I post mainly after hours, and because I'm so scary.

bobby_b04:50pm
Jul 30

"If I wanted to listen to an asshole all day long, I'd eat more beans."

This was good. I'm saving this one.

amber04:50pm
Jul 30

Max also knows I'm in love with you, raindog66, so that might be the reason, too...

dezelske (not verified)04:51pm
Jul 30

I totally got my "one thing or another" mixed up. But you all know what I meant.

tabitha (not verified)04:48pm
Jul 30

there's a difference between censorship and refusing to allow a stalker to have free reign on a public forum. this person is dangerous and scary and should be given a restraining order for his abusive language to the persons that he threatens (usually women). I suspect that this person is the same person that sends hate male to several women's blogs in town, and frankly I'm scared that he is going to go postal one of these days.

justpbob  url04:54pm
Jul 30

I self-censure some of my best stuff.

bobby_b04:55pm
Jul 30

"hate male . . ."

hmmmmm . . .

bobby_b04:56pm
Jul 30

But if you miss, bob, we censure you for it anyway, so, no worries.

josie04:56pm
Jul 30

If I wanted to listen to an asshole all day long, I'd eat more beans.

Ang, that is the definition of awesome. I love it.

Fygar (not verified)04:54pm
Jul 30

Reminds me of the early, early days of the City Pages site.

There was a pretty hoppin' little forum there and some guy posted there who was just the anti of whatever had just been posted. The web-mistress was a friend of a friend and seem to remember her mentioning that guy ate up a ton of her time.

Good to see the internets (and we) and evolved!

nateek05:01pm
Jul 30

but damn, this yeast infection I've got is driving me crazy

I think that's fairly good proof that Max isn't exactly censoring with all that restrictive an eye.

wayne05:06pm
Jul 30

"No one ever seems to say, "I want a nerdy girl who knows how to do the splits, too!" though..."

I think Wayne does.

»» Submitted by »»» mnblrmkr at 2:27 PM on July 30





Why Yes, I do!

wayne05:06pm
Jul 30

If I wanted to listen to an asshole all day long, I'd eat more beans. Thanks, but no thanks.

»» Submitted by »»» dezelske at 3:45 PM on July 30

A+++, would buy from again, fast lolling

bobby_b05:06pm
Jul 30

"I think that's fairly good proof that Max isn't exactly censoring with all that restrictive an eye."

Or that he's still busy washing his hands.

josie05:07pm
Jul 30

*snicker*

amber05:17pm
Jul 30

That's a shame. I'm sure she's going to be so torn up about it...

grote (not verified)05:18pm
Jul 30

that's right around the time I started reading it.

nateek05:16pm
Jul 30

is this the right time and place to mention that garnett was traded to the celtics today?

josie05:20pm
Jul 30

Lost interest in spelling and grammar too, huh...

Cat (not verified)05:18pm
Jul 30

fantacszing about any guy sucking on her nipples. Lost my interest permanently.

I don't think it was any guy. And your interest in things seems fickle at best so it's not surprising that your interest was lost. What does surprise me is that there was interest to begin with as you seem very "above it all."

... What is this "fantacszing" of which you speak?
I want to see both of your hands on the desk, please.

dezelske (not verified)05:21pm
Jul 30

Wow, I said something like that? Okay, but was it funny? Because that's all I'm concerned about.

bobby_b05:19pm
Jul 30

Oh, gawd, I totally understand! Nipples! Uggh!

(You still have nice grammer - you're holding together well. Do the people around you suspect yet? Still let you, say, hold their little kids?)

josie05:23pm
Jul 30

Ang, I think you said that right after I begged Wayne to, well, you know.

dezelske (not verified)05:22pm
Jul 30

Oh wait, you mean in the boob thread that everyone was having a good time joking around in? You really caught me, sir!

josie05:26pm
Jul 30

Miss Scarlett and Miss Melly are simply horrified!

mazasapa05:26pm
Jul 30

I'm betting it was more likely a madam.

dezelske (not verified)05:27pm
Jul 30

On a more serious note, if you can't handle me making an off-color comment about nipple sucking, then you're probably not going to enjoy a lot of what is posted on OIM, anyway.

amber05:30pm
Jul 30

I usually just stop reading stuff if I find it boring, rather than tell the person to start forming their comments to my personal interests...

dezelske (not verified)05:31pm
Jul 30

Uh, ok. Thanks. The comment in that boob thread about sucking on nipples was made generally, not in reference to myself, anyway. Also, it was a quote from someone else who said it first. But I appreciate the feedback.

josie05:35pm
Jul 30

Is it too late to turn this into, say, a poop thread?

tabitha (not verified)05:33pm
Jul 30

again, its always women he targets. maybe he had a bad mommy.

dezelske (not verified)05:37pm
Jul 30

Josie, I'd love to. I've been constipated all day. Please help.

teucer05:36pm
Jul 30

Well, if we're all taking requests, I'd like to hear a lot more on Mnspeak about Macramé.

Cat (not verified)05:37pm
Jul 30

Which brings us back to those creepy Silence of the Lamb lines.

josie05:38pm
Jul 30

Beer. Always works.

tabitha (not verified)05:38pm
Jul 30

or redemption via knitting

miller05:38pm
Jul 30

I wanted to turn this into a thread about Good Will Hunting, but you people just aren't playing ball.

josie05:39pm
Jul 30

I crochet. Will that work?

dezelske (not verified)05:39pm
Jul 30

Beer. Always works.

You are so wise. I didn't even think of that.

josie05:42pm
Jul 30

If you're bad off, make it a Guinness or a Newcastle.

josie05:42pm
Jul 30

Or a latte! At one particularly dull temp job in my younger days, I IM-ed with a girlfriend basically all day long. She'd leave for a latte from Starbucks around 10am and she'd always do a "brb, poo" at 11am. You could set your watch by it.

dezelske (not verified)05:44pm
Jul 30

Do you happen to know which latte? Did it have flavored syrup in it? Was it non-fat, 1%, breve...?

josie05:45pm
Jul 30

I think it has more to do with the espresso within the latte. Starbucks coffee seems to have that effect on people.

dezelske (not verified)05:47pm
Jul 30

Well, caffeine is a natural laxative, and espresso has a higher concentration of caffeine, so it would probably work. *puts on shoes*

Cat (not verified)05:47pm
Jul 30

Drunk redemption knitting? Where do I sign up?

tabitha (not verified)05:47pm
Jul 30

mmm. latte, with whole milk, cinnamon, and a shot of bailey's.

tabitha (not verified)05:52pm
Jul 30

The stitch and bitch cafe

richg05:46pm
Jul 30

Starbucks coffee has a laxative effect?

bobby_b05:49pm
Jul 30

"I'm envisioning a "Women of MnSpeak" nude calendar, but hoping that most of the faces and naughty bits pictured would be blurred out. Not for privacy sake, but because of aesthetics."

Way too much time on women's body parts. It detracts from your overall intellectual presence, and adds nothing to the aura of wise concern that pervaded the beginning. I'd change focus, quickly.

ranty05:53pm
Jul 30

I think you can sub Dunn Bros. in a pinch, Rich...

josie05:55pm
Jul 30

Sure. Starbucks, browsing in a bookstore, not being anywhere near a bathroom, too many Miller Lites...any number of things...

aliecat  url06:02pm
Jul 30

A diet coke and 2 cigarettes clean me right out...

richg05:57pm
Jul 30

And lo' the lord spaketh and a poop thread was brought into being.

dezelske (not verified)06:04pm
Jul 30

Ahh yes, it is the fail safe method. However, I have quit smoking. (3 days in) Despite lack of documented side effects on the interwebz, I am firmly blaming that transition to my found issue. But still not giving up on, um, giving up.

teucer06:06pm
Jul 30

Something tells me that one of the Bobby_b's posting on this thread is an impostor. But which one? None can say...

aliecat  url06:09pm
Jul 30

And lo' the lord spaketh and a poop thread was brought into being.

And He was pleased...

ranty06:17pm
Jul 30

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax!

Cat (not verified)06:17pm
Jul 30

Wait ... please direct all nastee comments towards nateek as he has willingly given himself up as the sacrificial lamb.

dezelske (not verified)06:19pm
Jul 30

What, that she smokes and drinks Diet Coke, or that she poops?

Oh shit, alert the media.

aliecat  url06:31pm
Jul 30

I look forward to max deleting these comments...

dezelske (not verified)06:33pm
Jul 30

Go take a poop.

/falls off couch

ranty06:35pm
Jul 30

Wow, what a sleuth.

aliecat  url06:35pm
Jul 30

Ranty- should you ever become tired of your husband, please send him my way...

ranty06:37pm
Jul 30

Alie, I will tell him you said that - it will make his day! :-)

aliecat  url06:38pm
Jul 30

See, that's what I'm here for...

dezelske (not verified)06:38pm
Jul 30

Dude, you went from possibly ruining someone's day to totally entertaining us. Well, I'm entertained. I mean that.

Max Sparber  url06:37pm
Jul 30

For the love of God, people, stop responding to the troll.

Here's a tip -- if it's a mean-spirited comment, or a bullying accusation that I'm somehow doing my job improperly, or something unpleasant about the Bartels, or someone's full name and place of business, and it's signed something like "yuck" or "smarter than that" or some other half-witted smart ass anonymous name, it's our troll. If I haven't deleted it immediately, it is because I am away from my desk, and will delete it as soon as I get back.

Also, if it is some anonymous person complaining that I have deleted the troll, and that this censorship, it's the troll again, just trying to bully his way out of his permaban status. These comments will also be deleted.

But responding to the moron encourages him (as this thread has demonstrated), and means either I have to also delete all your responses, or leaves a thread that makes no sense at all.

ranty06:40pm
Jul 30

Oh, and I just have to say this:

My "f-bomb" tendencies have served me well in the business so far.

It's all about the niche-marketing, baby!

(Who are the perennially-potty-mouthed gonna hire? Hmm?)

aliecat  url06:42pm
Jul 30

Sorry max, I've got a little pent up aggression, couldn't help myself.

/done with that particular subject, on to dreaming about Ranty's hubby...

aeklund06:41pm
Jul 30

Alie, being "dooced" does have precedence, but so does making anonymous threats, so your counterpart may need to ponder that as well.

Just being Mr. Reality/No-Judgement.

ranty06:43pm
Jul 30

*guilty too*

Sorry Max. :(

dezelske (not verified)06:43pm
Jul 30

*hangs head in shame*

Sorry, Max. It won't happen again. PROMISE! *smile*

aeklund06:44pm
Jul 30

Sorry, Max.

aliecat  url06:46pm
Jul 30

I love laughing...

aliecat  url06:48pm
Jul 30

I am away from my desk

Max, you can just say you were pooping, no need to use euphemisms...

tabitha (not verified)06:48pm
Jul 30

and back to poop. I swear by olive juice. Just drink a whole jar of it. or chicken broth. Not the organic kind.

Max Sparber  url06:51pm
Jul 30

I can poop and type. I'm doing it right now.

tabitha (not verified)06:52pm
Jul 30

hot.

ranty06:56pm
Jul 30

Can I get back to f-bomb-dropping now?

Cat (not verified)06:53pm
Jul 30

understand your POV, max, but I don't think responding or not responding has any bearing on this "commenter of whom we do not speak."

that said, I too am heartly sorry for feeding the flame.
Gosh, I now feel like I'm eight and kneeling in confession.

nate (not verified)06:59pm
Jul 30

yeah? and what are you wearing?

dezelske (not verified)07:00pm
Jul 30

Absolutely, ranty. Let 'em rip!

aliecat  url07:04pm
Jul 30

Absolutely, ranty. Let 'em rip!

F-bombs or poops?

dezelske (not verified)07:08pm
Jul 30

Yes.

ranty07:08pm
Jul 30

Ohhhhh... choices, choices.

To swear or to poop?

aliecat  url07:11pm
Jul 30

Sometimes you have to do both...

dezelske (not verified)07:22pm
Jul 30

Sometimes you have to drop an F bomb while pooping.

ranty07:23pm
Jul 30

For realz.

kevin logged out (not verified)07:21pm
Jul 30

I crochet. Will that work?

If you're trying to make your breasts sag, then yes.

DouglasG  url07:28pm
Jul 30

I crochet. Will that work?

Macramé is just crochet with larger yarn... er ... um... so I'm told...

Christine (not verified)07:27pm
Jul 30

Is Ranty looking for a business partner?!

Ranty, I want to apply. I don't know anything about flipping houses, but I am independently wealthy.

I wouldn't want to be a silent partner, though. I want to learn to flip!

ranty07:30pm
Jul 30

Uh, that wasn't a very nice thing to say, Kevin...

DouglasG  url07:31pm
Jul 30

I too think flipping houses would be fun (in a masochistic sort of way.) Teach oh great master Ranty!!!

aliecat  url07:37pm
Jul 30

Dude, who just heard that "The Simple Life" was canceled?

Who says God doesn't answer prayers...

Max Sparber  url07:38pm
Jul 30

Don't answer the troll, Ranty.

Christine (not verified)07:42pm
Jul 30

I totally want to tag along with Ranty to see her rip up some old carpeting and knock over some rotting drywall!

Hell yeah!

ranty07:44pm
Jul 30

Well, you guys are in luck!

As it happens, I plan to do a video/blog tour of my next house from start to finish, and include all the nasty demolition. Wheee!

yepnope (not verified)07:55pm
Jul 30

Uh, Max, you missed one. I didn't write that last one.

Max Sparber  url07:59pm
Jul 30

You don't have a yeast infection?

yepnope (not verified)07:59pm
Jul 30

My acids and bases are in perfect alignment, thanks for asking :)

Max Sparber  url08:01pm
Jul 30

BELETED!

ranty08:01pm
Jul 30

I'm tellin' ya - impersonations abound today.

Max Sparber  url08:05pm
Jul 30

ALL BELETED!

teucer08:18pm
Jul 30

I don't think that one from Tabitha is really her. Although I suppose it could be.

Weird days.

teucer08:20pm
Jul 30

Other Lurker: Yeah, except that we're asked to give our real names if we register. Which I decided to do when I registered as I don't really have any big issues with people knowing my name. But it is a risk, to insist on real names and then to leave them open for public inspection.

Linking to blogs and the like ought not to be controversial. I think the issue may be more one that it doesn't appear possible to IP ban the weird stalker, or that he is using an anonymizer service.

kwatt08:27pm
Jul 30

Hey Max, if I had a friend who had herpes, could you make that go away, too?

Ranty - I never said there was anything wrong with saggy breasts. Remember that I'm of the "breasts are just a bonus" camp.

Max Sparber  url08:32pm
Jul 30

I could suggest an unction.

bobby_b08:24pm
Jul 30

"Something tells me that one of the Bobby_b's posting on this thread is an impostor."

Guilty. Sorry. Oh, gawd, so sorry . . . (sob!) I just couldn't stop . . . But, frankly, it feels good - yeah, clean, refreshing and freeing, really - to finally get caught and exposed and get it all out in the open and stop living the damn lie! Thanks, teuc! The sunlight feels . . . . great!

Okay, here it is. . . . Hi! My name's not bobby, and I only play a conservative on the internet.

(Oh, but, unless you're referring to some post that's been deleted such that, now, at 7:30, it's gone and I missed it, all posts above right now really were mine.)

bobby_b08:33pm
Jul 30

"For the love of God, people, stop responding to the troll."

There is no gawd, so, as a motivational rallying point, I'd look for something more universally revered. "Drugs" usually works, as does "Chateau Lafite", and of course "Glenmorangie" can turn the most contentious mob into a focused beam of effort.

"Here's a tip -- if it's a mean-spirited comment, or a bullying accusation that I'm somehow doing my job improperly, or something unpleasant about the Bartels, . . . "

Sure, set it up so I either change my entire commenting personality, or I'm a "troll." Weak debating technique, Max. Try the merits instead. Sheesh.

DouglasG  url08:59pm
Jul 30

I plan to do a video/blog tour of my next house from start to finish, and include all the nasty demolition. Wheee!

Demolition nasty? That hasn't been my experience. It has always been fun. Of course, I've never had to demolish anything with poop problems...

josie10:54pm
Jul 30

Yepnope totally would have posted anything regarding her acids and bases over in the feminine hygiene thread...she knows how to stay on topic.

kwatt11:49pm
Jul 30

Well, after 12 hours I guess we have an answer:

No, MNspeak is not smarter than a fifth grader.

But it's way sexier.

tabitha (not verified)01:43am
Jul 31

well actually i didn't write that but it is true: i do think mn speak is just great. woohoo!

wayne10:33am
Jul 31

I'm glad I went to happy hour and missed the daily trolling yesterday.

But I'm kind of sad I missed the boobs&poop talk.

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