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Metroblogging points us to a forthcoming UBS forum about online journalism, featuring MnSpeak's own Chuck Olsen. And good timing as well, as Chuck's video interview with several ill-informed churchgoers in Tennessee is blowing up on the Internet.
No offense, but I'll take Chuck and things like TheUptake seriously when there's a serious effort to make their content accessible. to people like myself.
mnblrmkr: Your blanket dismissal of my hard work and online video is frustrating as usual, but I understand it must be more frustrating being left out. Care to help us apply for grants? Not trying to make excuses, but even organizations that actually HAVE the resources to caption online video aren't often doing it.
I just did a little research to see if there are any new tools out there for captioning. Good news, there is: Overstream. Haven't tried it yet, but this is definitely something we can get UpTake volunteers to do for our videos. If we have the people, the passion, and the tools, we can do anything the big boys can (maybe even better).
By the way, the Rocketboom version of that Tennessee church ladies video is edited. The full-on original is here: "We Need God in Our Governments"
I completely agree that there needs to be some form of captioning for online video to make it accessible to the hearing-impaired. However, I'd like to remind everyone that there is NO industry standard for such a thing, and creating captions currently requires a video producer to double, triple, or even quadruple the time spent preparing video for Internet distribution. In time-sensitive material, like election-related video produced by The Uptake, captioning with currently available technology would be prohibitive to getting any message out at all. That's not an excuse. But it IS a reality.
Redlasso's videoplayer appears to search broadcast's captioning, which is cool. But, no offense, David-- but it's unfair to hijack the thread into a captioning discussion. That's not even close to what the post was about.
Did she call him Bahama?
Awright, these three women are somewhat ill informed. I read stuff here and elsewhere every day that makes me wince.
Shoving a camera in the face of some unsophisticated people in a small town who have an old-style religious faith and a southern drawl is just too damned easy.
A couple of Jason's co-workers and I were discussing this very topic recently (blog journalism ethics, not captioning). I've got my ticket.
Post Event Get Together in St. Paul? -- Drinks at the Depot? A burger at Mickey's? Birdbath Martinis at the St. Paul Grill bar!
Shoving a camera in the face of some unsophisticated people in a small town who have an old-style religious faith and a southern drawl is just too damned easy.
It might be "easy," but I don't see how it's any less relevant. They clearly aren't the only ones who share those same uninformed, second-hand political views, and they're voters. That seems like awfully important information to me.
I agree. I have lots of relatives in central Minnesota who feel basically the same way, or at least entertain equally astounding misconceptions.
You a closet Huckabee supporter, Rat? I kinda like Mike myself.
Look, no one "shoved a camera" in the face of these women, they were happy to share their views with their visitor from Minneapolis. You can here much of the same, with slightly different accents, at any number of locations in the upper Midwest. Yes, even in "sophisticated, liberal Minneapolis."
I thought their views on Bush and Iraq, while not clearly spelled out, were the most interesting. Clearly, they -- like Bahama supporters -- want change.
I wonder if Keith Ellison has seen this yet....Maybe we should start a rumor that he is secretly a Baptist, and that was a Bible after all.
you can hear, rather.
They clearly aren't the only ones who share those same uninformed, second-hand political views, and they're voters. That seems like awfully important information to me.
You could get laughably uninformed political nonsense in downtown chicago. Or minninapolis, for that matter.
Maz is right.
Gasp -- these ARE the End Times!
Like for example, I'd love to ask some young swooning girl why shy supports Obama and see what she says.
I bet it would be no less moronic.
I'm from Tennessee originally. And let's just say I'm NOT surprised such folks were found. They are in large quantities in the South, but especially in places like Lynchburg, TN. I've told friends and acquaintances here in MN I escaped a bullet by running as fast as possible from that state. Many many folks are like those ladies. Do not be surprised if the Republicans takes that state during the election again.
I've told friends and acquaintances here in MN I escaped a bullet by running as fast as possible from that state.
I can't believe they would try to stop you from leaving.
Unless there is a gay marriage amendment most of those people don't take the time to vote anyhow. I didn't think they were that outrageous really. I am so inundated with morons on a daily basis that outrage over some statements supporting the most religious candidate made by some people in the south seems manufactured.
It's a little more complicated that that, Simpleton. Long considered a voting bloc that support any Republican candidate, the Christian right has evolved (no pun intended) into a much more complex and diverse group(s). Some are rejecting politics all together. Others have embraced environmentalism and global climate change as an issue. In many states, self-described Christian conservatives have evenly split their vote between Huckabee, McCain and Romney.
This year, I wouldn't count on "traditional wisdom" too much to predict election results. We are all living in interesting times.
You could get laughably uninformed political nonsense in downtown chicago. Or minninapolis, for that matter.
Oh Maz, it's lovely to see you finally doing some self-reflection and ultimate recognition. It puts a tear in my eye. *sniff*
Leigha FTW!!!!
Enough snipe 'n snark. Anyone else going, other than me and chuck?
Chuck interviewed a wide range of people during his road trip. To see a few more examples of this, see these videos. The first one goes into a few more similar extremes, and the later one is a southern professor talking in depth about political tends in Alabama.
St. Louis: What Does America Need?
There are many misconceptions out there about politics, and many disturbing points of views. One of the biggest differences with the religious extremists is that one of their church leaders is intentionally feeding them false information regarding Obama. That should raise many questions in itself.
Shoving a camera in the face of some unsophisticated people in a small town who have an old-style religious faith and a southern drawl is just too damned easy.
Here's the thing, Rat: It's one thing to be personally ignorant of current events. It's another thing entirely to be told lies by leaders (political, religious or otherwise). The former can be more easily corrected than the latter.
What's entirely assinine about these Obama = Muslim lies is that Barack attended an Indonesian school many years ahead of the current Wahabist movement. While Indonesia has had its share of Islam x Christian x Buddhist x Hindu violence over the years, the clashes have not, until this decade, carried any "jihad" connotation to them.
How many Americans are even aware that Bali, for example, is a Hindu enclave, the remnant of a large, regional Sanskrit empire that first arrived from India around 100 A.D.? Hindu colonization was then followed by the introduction of Buddhism into the archipelago around 500 A.D., the Nayang period that is also associated with Imperial China's great global explorations? Islam didn't reach Indonesia until at least the 14th century and did not become a significant political factor there until the 16th century.
P.S. It's a shame bin Laden's name isn't Boosh. What fun could we have with that!
Oh Maz, it's lovely to see you finally doing some self-reflection and ultimate recognition. It puts a tear in my eye. *sniff*
cept, I live in st. paul. Were did you say you live leigha?
Wow, did MnSpeak have a cup of bitchy with their breakfast this morning? There's a whole lot of sniping happening for before 10am.
Didn't notice.
Didn't notice.
Maybe I'm overly mellow since I'm not working today.
I watched the street interviews in St. Louis. Now you tell me why anything they said was any less stupid than what the religious people said.
"I'm voting for the black guy, cuz I don't like no wimins for prezident."
maz is a man who will fight for your honor
he'll be the hero that you're dreaming of
eh uh.
Only 57% of eligible voters in Tennessee bothered to vote last Presidential Election. The number of electoral votes your state should get should be apportioned on the percent of eligible voters that actually vote.
Minnesota and Wisconsin lead the way with 77% and 76% respectively.
Bob, I'm hoping to make it over. Just so I can hear what my boss has to say, and then follow his instructions. :-)
"Enough snipe 'n snark. Anyone else going, other than me and chuck?"
I have a ticket, but I'm still about 50/50 on whether I can make it or not. Very much intending to.
Always good to see you, Robin. Wished I had more time to talk last time at the 331, but I was just getting off a long day of work and travel and I was pretty fried.
I'm planning on being there. I want to see Chuck leg wrestle with Bob Collins. And, as I said in the MB comments, I'm looking forward to seeing someone new and different address the topic instead of the usual clutch-the-pearls, have-my-cake-and-eat-it-too local folks.
Somewhat related I just listened to a Commonwealth Club talk from 2006 by Randall Ballmer entitled "An Evangelical's Lament on Politicized Religion". Great background on how the "Christian Right" movement came to be.
Great background on how the "Christian Right" movement came to be.
Ballmer's a very confused fellow. His argument shouldn't be with the right, but with the left. It's the left that ridicules his beliefs and is the home of american atheists and agnostics, not the right. He may not agree with all of the right's policies and philosophies, but at least they allow him to disagree without ridicule.
Evangelicals weren't kidnapped by the right. The right offered them refuge from the haters.
You just make stuff up to suit your political views, don't you?
Ooooo hey Chuck! I just might see you there, think I might be tapped to photog that event. I'm actually transitioning myself into a 501(c)3, taking photographs for non-profits and other such things that need quality photos, but have no money for them.
no offense, David-- but it's unfair to hijack the thread into a captioning discussion. That's not even close to what the post was about.
It never is, Jason. It never is. I didnt intend to hijack the thread (which it looks like I didnt), Max is free to delete my comment if he sees fit. But it was about citizen journalism, and I think I have legitimate concerns about a real failing, even more so, given the number of people giddily prognosticating the demise of print, or declaring that broadcast is dead. Im just trying to see where the upside for me in this is.
If this is going to be the new paradigm, its an issue that has to be discussed, along side the ethics issues that the UBS forum looks to discuss, especially since, by its very nature, citizen journalism is going to be done by individuals, or at best, small organizations working on tight budgets. How many people involved in this even think about the issue before its brought to their attention?
Cheryl, I dont think its entirely accurate to say that there are no standards. True, each of the main media players (Windows Media, Quicktime, Flash, and Real) handle them differently, but once you choose a platform for your operation, it should be fairly standardized.
Chuck, I dont mean to dismiss the effort you put in, I dont doubt that you work hard at it.
As someone who works in broadcast media, I'd be interested in discussing the accessibility of media (new or traditional) or lack thereof to people with disabilities. And the beauty of MnSpeak is that nothing's stopping you from creating a thread to discuss that topic specifically.
So, you know, go to it, dude.
One thing I find interesting, is the number of people ridiculing the new hyper-local focus of organizations like the StarTribune and others. Can you get much more hyper-local than citizen journalism? For example, Im sure that there were hundreds of people blogging about the 35W bridge collapse. How many were much more than personal anecdote? How many even had the capacity or access to get beyond that, and start to bring us a bigger picture?
Shoving a camera in the face of some unsophisticated people in a small town who have an old-style religious faith and a southern drawl is just too damned easy.
Getting back to an earlier quote. Rat, you do realize how demeaning this is. These are adult voters who were only to happy to discuss their opinions. Saying that it was somehow unfair because they're just ignorant, small-town hicks is the part that's too easy. And these exact opinions can be found all over the place, because of a sophisticated Internet whisper campaign. We're not dealing with bumbling rubes. We're dealing with people who have deliberately misinformed themselves, by latching onto lies spread on the internet, but haven't bothered to actually look into these lies. The fact that this is as common as it is disturbs me. You'll find these exact opinions among voters in Minneapolis, which is where I first heard them.
Evangelicals weren't kidnapped by the right. The right offered them refuge from the haters.
Evangelicals have never been considered "liberal" by any means or imagination. Just look at the schism within the Lutheran Church between the two main synods ... both of which have been historically considered "conservative" but one much more so than the other. The Baptists, Assembly of God, etc., from which are drawn the greatest numbers of Evangelicals, have never had a reputation for progress politics or liberal social views.
Yes, some Evangelicals can be progressive (but finding one who will publicly acknowledge being one is next to impossible) -- but the great majority have always had conservative attitudes.
I also think it's disingenuous to claim Evangelicals had to seek "refuge from the haters." That's as blatantly false as the imagined "war of Christmas." The growing Episcopal Church schism, with a more-conservative branch departing the traditionally social-liberal core over the ordination of gay clergy, has nothing at to do with Christian hatred and everything to do with a more conservative flock wanting to depart of their own accord.
What you imagine to be "hatred" is actually scorn, maz. The kind of scorn that develops when more-aware people, religious or otherwise, encounter the very same cluelessness that's on display in the video.
The Rat doesn't like the phrase "citizen journalist" Like people who work in the business are something other than a citizen, which is what? It also implies the "citizen journalist" is doing it for some reason than to make a living. As if making a living at it means his or her efforts carries the taint of money or ambition.
Hobby Journalist seems more accurate.
How many people involved in this even think about the issue before it's brought to their attention?
I'm building a web application that links the streaming video with the transcript of that video so that as the viewer moves the slider forward and back, the script/transcript in the window beneath it moves with it. This will be used in all of my new generation online learning products.
I credit you, boilermaker, for causing me to think of the need and value of that feature.
Well, if by "accurate," you mean "demeaning," then yes.
Hey noodleman, ever hear of Jimmy Carter?
These are adult voters who were only to happy to discuss their opinions.
Will they be happy to see their opinions interspersed with cute little graphics like "???" and "This is False." Don't remember the others. But it opens the door to all the viewers for a good chuckle.
Hobby Journalist seems more accurate
I prefer pretend journalist.
I'm confused about why you just described misinformation as "opinion." Are you saying there is some legitimacy to the idea that Obama wants to be sworn in on the Koran?
We need to distinguish between "evangelical" and "fundamentalist." There are plenty of democrats who are evangelical Christians, despite Maz's weird proposition that atheists in the party have driven them away. Not so many Fundamentalists.
Like "liberals" and "progressives" I admit I don't know the difference.
No, Max. But does the "citizen journalist" have an allegiance to the truth and excise those passages he knows to be false? Or was it more important to make a fool of these people?
i thought she said that he was going to be sworn in on "the korean"...and now I have this image in my mind's eye of Obama getting a piggy-back ride from Kim Jong Il.
No. And those people made fools of themselves, Rat.
Alleged journalists with an agenda is not a new thing, Rat.
Yes. Just look at FOX.
or SeeBS
ok. let's stop this right here, fellas. this type of "discussion" might get lost on a busy commenting day on MNSpeak, but it's sticking out like a sore thumb of negativity today.
Oh poop on you.
Hey noodleman, ever hear of Jimmy Carter?
Uh, yes, I have, maz. But I don't consider Carter to be an Evangelical. Born-again, yes; Evangelical, no. I doubt he considers himself to be an Evangelical, either, since his political views to not fit squarely within the limiting scope of traditional Evangelicalism.
Carter's call for human rights, etc. had little to do at the time (late '70s) with religion and everything to do with advancing US political idealism around the world. (And if our Founding Fathers truly wanted to found a Christian nation, why did they depend so much on ancient Greek and Roman political innovations?) Carter never called the Soviet Union an "evil empire" ("evil" being a religious concept, y'know); Reagan did.
The misinformation those women were spewing WAS the news of the piece. Removing those quotes from the video would have defeated the purpose of the video itself.
The way Chuck put his stamp on the video maybe was comical in nature and you might have a bone to pick with how he pulled that off, but to edit those comments so that was remained was the truth would have altered the intent. This piece didn't have an agenda, per se. The woman called him Bahama, stated he was going to swear in on the Koran, and claimed he won't say the Pledge. Since her vote counts the same as everyone else's, that's worthy of attention.
I don't think so. Nothing personal here, grote.
Jimmy Carter was a self-described Evangelical Christian. Although he recently left the Southern Baptist Convention over complaints of increased rigidity in doctrine on the organization.
to edit those comments so that was remained was the truth would have altered the intent. This piece didn't have an agenda, per se.
What the Sam Hill is this?
It would have altered the intent, but he didn't have an agenda?
Wow!
You can have a point without having an agenda. You're falsely conflating the two, Rat. Chuck didn't make these women express their opinions, they did so willingly. And his use of graphics might be jokier than you'd find in mainstream news, but almost all news organizations would step in and explain that the claims the women were making was false.
Max is right, noodleman. Carter is proud to be an called an Evangelical. We should also recall how he was mocked for his beliefs by the media and the Inside the Beltway crowd.
Perhaps maz and I are the only ones here old enough to remember the Carter years.
I agree that was a crappy bit of sentence construction on my part, but I'm thankful Max was able to lend me a hand.
I was trying to say that had Chuck woken up in the morning and said, "I'm going to go find some woman to say some unbelievably misguided things and then add funny graphics" then we're talking about an agenda.
If, however, he films a woman who says some unbelievably misguided things and then he broadcasts them, it seems that the intent is to illustrate the wide range of political nonsense that exists out there. To me, that's the distinction between intent and agenda.
Perhaps I've clarified, perhaps I haven't.
had Chuck woken up in the morning and said, "I'm going to go find some woman to say some unbelievably misguided things and then add funny graphics" then we're talking about an agenda.
Well, he did drive all the way to tennessee for a reason.
Yes. To interview people.
Hey noodleman, I know many are piling on, but to say Baptists have "have never had a reputation for progress politics or liberal social views" might be accurate, but I guess that depends where you are looking for that reputation. Dr. Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Baptist. Kind of progressive, I guess...
Of course, I know a lot more progressive Baptists and Baptist organizations, but no time for linking. I have to drive a bus.
The thing is, all the old mainline Protestant denominations have liberal and conservative factions.
Whoops, gotta go.
Perhaps maz and I are the only ones here old enough to remember the Carter years.
I actually voted for Carter ... because he was a former submarine sailor like myself.
In retrospect, it's kind of like voting for a woman for president because you're a woman or voting for a black guy for president because we've never had one before.
As someone who works in broadcast media, I'd be interested in discussing the accessibility of media (new or traditional) or lack thereof to people with disabilities. And the beauty of MnSpeak is that nothing's stopping you from creating a thread to discuss that topic specifically.
So, you know, go to it, dude.
Josie, You think I haven't been looking for some local angle to do that? Until I find one, it's been pretty much just a side issue or comment to other posts.
And maz, thanks and your welcome. I would say that technologically, it seems to be close, it seems to be a bit more a matter of getting the content to be provided.
Maz,
Is it kinda like voting for Bush cuz you just can't be bothered to do anything except shill for the Party Line? Or because we never had a Retarded Prez before?
Color me curious.
No, I voted for Bush because I couldn't stomach the commies he was running against.
Here are links for progressive Baptists.
The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
The Baptist Peace Fellowship of North American
My Baptist Church is also involved in The Fellowship of Reconciliation, Soulforce and is teaching the Living the Questions curriculum.
Isn't "progressive baptist" an oxymoron?
Well, I guess I've been shown a thing or two! Perhaps I should've written "Fundamentalist" instead of "Evangelical?" Point is, no one chased religious conservatives into the arms of the GOP. They went there willingly.
And, yes, I remember Carter. I cast my first Presidential ballot in 1976. My draft number was also 302, in 1973, the last year of the draft lottery.
No, I voted for Bush because I couldn't stomach the commies he was running against.
Kerry the Commie? Well, never trust anyone in the Navy. I guess that leaves out McCain, too.
I hear there is a more interesting and diverse group of commies running this year, Maz.
I just read some book about Carter. He may have been more of an oaf than Bush.
Bob, you got yer real navy and yer commie navy.
This is getting bizarre. Let me ask that we return to the subject at hand.
What was the subject at hand? I fergeted it...
Whatever it was, it wasn't the commie navy.
When Chuck and the Uptake do an expose on America's Secret Commie Navy, that's when they eat the MSM's lunch, baby!
In any case I look forward to seeing those who can make it in St. Paul, and to hearing a good presentation.
Gotta go.
This is getting bizarre. Let me ask that we return to the subject at hand.
And I get accused of hijacking a thread for my comment.
I did my part trying to get back to the topic with my comment on hyper-localism in the msm, vs. the personalization of a lot of citizen journalism.
And I did my part of returning the discussion to citizen journalism by mentioning Jimmy Carter who once wrote an editorial.
Maz: Like for example, I'd love to ask some young swooning girl why shy supports Obama and see what she says.
I bet it would be no less moronic.
I'm going to have to agree with Maz on this one. I have asked some Obama supporters why they support him, and most of them don't really know except to say that he stands for "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!". When you ask them what the big changes he brought about during his time in Senate are, they can't seem to answer. When you ask them what aspects of his current platform are so much more progressive and hopeful than Hillary's, they can't answer that either.
Unfortunately, there is rampant ignorance on both sides of the political fence.
Bring back the poll tax. Only property owners should vote.
You can't be serious
I would point out, though, Tara, that there is a difference between ignorance and misinformation. Obama supporters aren't voting for him because someone has told them that Hillary plans to institute mass castration. Ignorance is always a troubling facet of democracy, but I find out and out lying to be an even more troubling aspect. People are responsible for their own ignorance, but there's usually a concerted effort behind misinformation campaigns.
People are responsible for their own ignorance, but there's usually a concerted effort behind misinformation campaigns.
So, no puppies for everyone, then?
Constitution be damned ! We want the poll tax!
Hillary plans to institute mass castration
We don't know that. But my center-left 20-something son has said he wo't vote for mrs. clinton because it's outrageous that she said she's garnish his wages to pay for his health insurance, and he can't vote for obama because he's 3 years removed from the state legislature and he's too inexperienced to be running this country.
Much to my (well-hidden) shock he said he's voting for McCain because he's a straight shooter and a war hero. Oh well.
Agreed, Max. Outright lies definitely trump dopey ignorance.
Is he equally indignant that he is forced by law to carry automobile insurance if he owns a car?
Aren't you?
I'm not...but I'd carry it anyway...
Can't say that I've considered it. But then, this isn't about me.
I see in the near future Maz arguing for debtor prisons.
In the Maz Future everyone is responsible for themselves. Few have car insurance and when they get into accidents they are bankrupted and sent to debtors prison. 50% of the population is now in jail the other half live in the Free Enterprise zone. Tort reform never occurred and now each citizen is typically sued from 100-1000 times a month. Lawyers now account for 50% of the GDP.
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Still no word on why his left-of-center son bothers to talk politics with Mr. Maz's Wife.
He's still a kid. What do you expect?
So, no puppies for everyone, then?
The Rat's a Cat Person.
Well, he did drive all the way to tennessee for a reason.
It's called Tennessee whiskey, son!
Actually, I embarked on this trip for The UpTake to get away from the horse race and find out what motivates voters in some of the Super Tuesday states. The South offered the most states and closest proximity.
Tennessee is where I had my only pre-planned interview, with the fellow in this video: Why the most qualified people don't run for president. He's an exectuve search consultant, very educated and wealthy - and a Mike Huckabee supporter. (Maz might like this guy, he says Newt Gingrich is a genius.)
I've seen all kinds of comments and email inventing motivations for me to interview these church ladies. What I call myself, first and foremost, is a documentary filmmaker. I like finding interesting people and telling their story. I happen to be harnessing that skill or interest into citizen journalism - an imperfect term, but one that's taken hold because it sounds empowering. And it is empowering.
I think the criticisms of my text overlays (???s, etc) are valid. The reason for them is simple - it's a playful way of fact-checking what they're saying. At the same time, it is a little snarky and I would like to release a more "pure" version that's just footage of them talking, including some snippets that didn't make it into this version discussing the separation of church and state.
Also: Graceland
Bob, I just made a Luca Brasi reference and no one got it. Take that your theory.
I thought he was dead?
No.
You said he sleep with the fishes.
What I meant was --
Ayyyyy, my pastafazole!
I love graceland. It is so crazy, and for a mansion, really small.
People complain that Graceland, especially the Jungle Room, is done is such poor taste. I say nonsense. What did they want from The King? Danish Modernism?
When I was walking in Memphis (walking in Memphis) I was walking with my feet 10 feet off...nevermind.
I hated Memphis...but I was there in August many years ago and it was about 9,000 degrees with 110% humidity.
I hate Memphis, too.
The Rat would like to go to Memphis one day.
The Rat would like to go to Memphis one day.
Meh...I liked the gulf coast area better...
You're talking about Florida?
I stayed in a hotel in Nashville that had a geetar-shaped swimming pool. Cool.
You're silly, Rat.
"You have no idea where China is, do you Bob?" heh one of my fav commercials.
I stayed in a hotel in Nashville that had a geetar-shaped swimming pool. Cool.
I heard that's there's actually no more southerners that live in Nashville.
I loved Memphis and would like to spend more time there. The Sun Studios and old Stax Studio (Soul USA) tours are great.
The Civil Rights Museum is really well done. Beale Street is fun. Graceland rocks. Memphis is great.
Then head over to Nashville for more great fun like the Parthenon replica.
Wow, that was some shitty grammar on my part...
Heading to Nashville for the first time other than a drive-through in a few weeks. Not really sure what to expect.
Heading to Nashville for the first time other than a drive-through in a few weeks. Not really sure what to expect.
My ex used to live there...be careful driving would be his advice...lots of cool music bars, too.
be careful driving would be his advice...
Holy crap yes. Especially the mountain roads. Being tailgated by meth-soaked truckers ain't too fun on those mountain curves.
I have a guitar shaped like a swimming pool.
That IS a guitar shaped swimming pool in my pants and I AM happy to see you.
Maz- my ex would tell me horror stories about the traffic deaths there, the highways can be especially hazardous because there are some areas with no shoulder. That and the truckers are assholes.
Naah, sometimes the truckers just forget.
Red pills in the morning, blue pills at night.
They get them turned around
Punch Pizza gives you Cancer...of the Soul.
Robin Marty has an e-ticket for tonight's sold out MPR/UBS Forum, "New Media, New Ethics?" she can't use.
If anyone wants it, they can email Robin directly.
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